A Eurasian homeland?

[taiping]

Eurasians, strictly speaking the off-spring of a European and a Mongoloid Asian parent, are on a constant rise as a result of globalisation and multiculturalism. Like the Jews in Europe, Eurasians are an ethnic minority (if we recognise ourselves as an ethnicity that is) and have been discriminated to some extent.

Although I am very proud of being Eurasian, I don't really have much of a national identity. The Chinese government refuses to give me a Chinese citizenship because I would have to give up my Italian citizenship as China does not accept dual citizenship. Thus whenever someone asks me where I am from, I usually vaguely reply England even though I am not English (although I have an English accent).

This has given my imagination the idea of creating some sort of homeland for all Eurasians. Although it is of course impossible and will never happen due to the lack of numbers of Eurasians, I still like to imagine what a "Eurasian homeland" might be like. If it did exist, it would be located in Central Asia as that area has always been referred to as Eurasia due to being between Europe and Asia; as well as the people being a mix of European and Asian (especially the Kazakhs and Uyghurs). However the establish of a "Eurasian homeland" in the current territories of Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan and Uzbekistan might stir trouble with the native population; and could result in am issue similar to the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict

Like the Jews and Zionism, Eurasians could establish their homeland in Central Asia with the help of the Russians, who have always wanted to have influence in Central Asia ever since the collapse of the Soviet Union. Now of course this is a far-fetched and perhaps dangerous idea, however this idea has never daunted me and I daresay that if there ever was a "Eurasian homeland", I would gladly live there.

What are your opinions on a "Eurasian homeland"?

[aliceinplunderland]

hello
new member here..
I am an eurasian historically from steppes but newly learned this is a term for a race..before i thought it was a region name..
Ýts been very long time we moved to asia minor but i guess my asian part is still dominant,i look pretty asian ..i think its nice

[taiping]

Interesting. Indeed many of the local people of the Steppes are a mix of predominant Mongol, Tatar, Slavic and Indo-European blood (which makes them Eurasian in that aspect).

However there is a massive flaw with my ''Eurasian homeland'' idea, as it would involve the mass migration of Eurasians to present day Central Asia (also known as Eurasia), which will stir trouble with the local populations. Religion will play a vital part, as the great majority of Central Asians are Muslim; and most Eurasians are generally (from my experience) Christian, this will create a conflict like the one between the Israelis and the Palestinians.

However it has always been my dream to create a Eurasian Republic...

[aliceinplunderland]

Well i don't see the difference since christianity is a foreign middleastern religion..same as Islam, both Semitic
we have our own religion(Tengrism and animism ) but its not institutionilised ..so its considered pagan..even today its still followed by local people in central asia

[taiping]

You make very good points. It is quite true that Christianity and Islam are Semitic religions as they both originated in the Middle East, and we do worship the same God (although Muslims refer to God as Allah). However that does not necessarily mean that Christians and Muslims got along in the past. The Crusades, series of wars started by Christian knights who invaded Asia Minor with the hopes of liberating the Holy Land [Israel] from the Muslim Arabs, completely destroyed all relations between Christianity and Islam. Also the so called ''Christian-Jew Alliance'' between the USA and the State of Israel has sparked a lot of controversy among Muslims, which did in many ways lead to 9/11 and the War on Terror.

Anyway enough about religion, as a Christian I only believe in peace, love and stability; so all these religious wars are of no significance to me. It is true that originally most Central Asians were Tengrists and animists, however after the Persians conquered much of Central Asia the great majority of the people converted to Islam. However there are indeed still a few who follow their own original religions, and they have all my respect.

With that being said, I believe that the Muslims of Central Asia are more temperate and moderate than other Muslims across the Islamic world. This is mainly because in nearly all of the 20th century Central Asia was put under the control of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR), which completely banned religion and promoted atheism which favoured communism. Also the Central Asians are very proud of their culture, which is why most of Central Asian women wear their traditional costumes instead of the burqa.



Sorry for so much history...I tend to get carried away sometimes

[aliceinplunderland]

Sorry for so much history...I tend to get carried away sometimes



nope no worries im volunteerly on this topic on history..

Actually it was Umayyad army, not Persians ,but Arabs ,commanders like Haccac ,Mervan ruined central asian cities Talkan Cürcen Semerkand Daðýstan .. and force-converted Turks by massacre.. but this story is not told because of islamic agenda..

We have never been clerics of religion and mostly laid back about religious issues ..we were warriors before or after islam..

i dont like any of these foreign religions ...they undermine our real culture ,our language and draw us into troubled waters of middleast..But we are a secular country since 1923 foundation of Turkish Republic by Atatürk.

[taiping]

Interesting, I had always thought that it was the Persians led by Timur who converted the Central Asians to Islam. I never knew the Arabs reached Central Asia, instead I thought they used the Persians. I fully understand your view on this issue; my Italian family are from Sicily and about a thousand years ago it was an emirate of the Fatimid Caliphate. The Sicilians were looted, raped and forced to convert to Islam. However the Normans liberated Sicily from the Arabs, and that is the reason why Sicily is devote Catholic and has lost all of its Islamic influence (unlike Spain).

About Atatürk, he is a personal hero of mine. Not only was he an excellent general (highlighted by his great strategic counter of Winston Churchill's Gallipoli Campaign during the First World War), he was a true visionary who successfully dissolved the corrupt Ottoman Empire and westernised Turkey (he was a lot like Mohammad Reza Shah Pahlavi of Iran, who is another hero of mine). Although many in the Middle East despise him for his secular policies, he will always remain the Father of the Turks (hence his name).

[aliceinplunderland]

Actually we people of nomadic tribes are more fragile against the ones established sedantery cultural invasion
(even though we were the rulers )-when a foreign culture comes with religion ,dogmas (fear). These middleastern Arabic customs came with religion, invaded our real culture ,language ,music
Our real culture was not humancentric, it was wholistic and cared about nature more , nomads do not stab pegs on bosom of mother earth for instance..
After converted to Ýslam our language filled with foreign arabic or persian words(even Selcuks era, official language was Persian )and even worse, language structure ,foreign suffixes ,prefixes ,plurality tags ets were eating our language inside ,our clothing was no more clothes of people who live in nature but were clothes of house dwellers ,people of indoors ..because women or men no one who works outside can wear these esp in mediterannean climate ..to be precise Islam was not only a religion it was a foreign lifestyle ,mindset were eating our true national identity ..Atatürk changed that , Thanks to his works , we know our history much before Ottoman -Selcuk ages, Turkish History Association ,language (Turkish Language Association ) ,customs ...He repaired what we lost in history and started scientific education ,art ,industry ..not only a shallow westernisation of clothes or lifestyle..Actually it was not "westernisation" it was a rejoice of our national identity ,our folk culture was praised,embraced -same as in French did it their revolution ) ,During Ottoman era ,Turk was just an etnicity(not very much cared by anyone ) ,Ottoman was the identity ..With Atatürk ,we left empire identity and foreign middleast cultural invasion, behind and we became a nation .

Actually we are Asians not Middleasterns ..That's why i dont like islam..We are only Asians in this region and trying to protect our culture against middleast..

Iranians were not Eurasian nomads ..they were also sedatery people but they also lost most of their culture under islamic influence they are no more iranians of old ages ..its a shame really..

[Groink]

Eurasian homeland? I think this has been brought up before. I would encourage you to read back a few years worth of threads and see if you don't agree that a country made up of roughly the same sample of the people here would tear itself apart in about...two weeks?

In all seriousness, I don't know what a "Eurasian nation" would give us. We vary widely in customs, cultures, and even in racial makeup -- so much so that even if such a nation existed, it would probably be broken up into even more granular divisions, sort of negating the whole premise of having a nation.

[taiping]

My apologies for the late reply,

aliceinplunderland,
I share similar thoughts with you. It is certain that Islamic influences in history have caused some cultures to degrade. However I think that the Turks (especially those in Central Asia and Russia) have still retained a lot of their culture and have not completely Islamised. Many of them are quite liberal Muslims, meaning that they are opposed to strict Islamic laws (such as Sharia Law, which is currently imposed on Iran).

Talking about Iranian people, I too find it a shame that their civilisation and culture were completely destroyed by the Arabs. Nowadays the Iranians are considered Arabs by many people due to their fanaticism in Islam....


Groink,
Yes of course, the ''Eurasian race'' is not a centralised term, and more like an umbrella term instead meaning, as you correctly pointed out, we Eurasians range in culture (usually determined by the country the individual is born in) and racial makeup.

However by reflecting what you have stated, we could question the USA. When the Thirteen Colonies got independence from Britain, the people living there were predominantly Anglo-Saxon and Germanic. However it became increasingly more populated by people who could do jobs involving hard labout (which is why many Americans are of Italian and Irish descent). With the rise of globalisation, many races immigrated to America for employment.

Thus the America's demographics are made up of perhaps the most races in the world; yet it functions very well, is the strongest democracy and is the world's sole superpower. Of course an ''Eurasian nation'' could never be the same because it would be primarily for Eurasian people, while America has no centralised race (although Caucasians do strikingly dominate it in politics). Thus I agree that a ''Euasian nation'' is currently impossible since individualism would rip it apart as no one would have a common goal in the new nation (apart from mixing with other Eurasians), while the Jews in Israel did have something worth fighting for: Zionism

Notwithstanding, with the rise of globalisation and subsequent miscegenation (especially between Caucasians and Asians), one day the Eurasian offspring will either become significant minorities in their respective countries (and thus will have to be recognised as a seperate race) or will join together to form large communities, and perhaps eventually form a state.

[aliceinplunderland]

My apologies for the late reply,

aliceinplunderland,
I share similar thoughts with you. It is certain that Islamic influences in history have caused some cultures to degrade. However I think that the Turks (especially those in Central Asia and Russia) have still retained a lot of their culture and have not completely Islamised. Many of them are quite liberal Muslims, meaning that they are opposed to strict Islamic laws (such as Sharia Law, which is currently imposed on Iran)
Talking about Iranian people, I too find it a shame that their civilisation and culture were completely destroyed by the Arabs. Nowadays the Iranians are considered Arabs by many people due to their fanaticism in Islam.....

Sorry for late reply ,I forgot my password and forum name..

I think it was nomadic lifestlye keeping people more -out of religious control..later came communism and in our case secular state came we were kind of lucky..I am not worried about political issues ,preserving the culture means a lot to me because we are neighboring two foreign cultural spheres ,European and Middleastern .
People can defend themselves from European foreign culture, but totally vulnerable to effect of Middleastern cultures because it is mostly hidden under religious scripts

take this for example :in Kuran it is written briefly :" I send this Holy Message to you in Arabic language because you can understand it (to Arabs)

commented and backed by hadiths to Non Arabs like us (made by Arab scholars ofcourse)" I send this message in Arabic because it is a superior language and Non Arab muslims should pray in Arabic ..

I call this a very subtle and evil cultural assimilation project ..esp when they preach Non arab Muslims that "Nationalism is a sin and all Muslims belong same nation."

oh well..which one : Arab?