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Post by cm on Sept 22, 2007 12:05:23 GMT -5
If you don't want to be jumped, then don't go around calling people 'nigger' with malinentions.
and as I predicted, EA's who are minorities ourselves, some, are siding with the whites in this case. typical. too bad many liberal whites in the US can see the truth and ridiculousness of this.
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Post by 0 on Sept 22, 2007 12:19:26 GMT -5
^ I have to disagree - calling someone a name is not justification for 6 people to assault someone until they are unconscious. I don't care what the history, legacy, blah blah blah - it was an assault and had the tables been turned with 6 white kids knocking a black kid unconscious then people would want to lynch the Jena 6.
The D.A. 's charges were excessive but these kids had no justification as a gang to attack one lone person for saying...SAYING.. a word. Period. To hit someone hard enough to knock them unconscious is a serious assault. These kids are not heroes - they are juvenile delinquents. I would have never done this at 16 nor felt like it was morally acceptable and this has nothing to do with beoing prowhite or supporting western military values, Iraq, Native Americans or anything else - it has to do with 6 teen males beating a single teen male until he was unconscious in response to him using a word.
They don't need prison terms but they definitely need some punishment and anger manangement, and to learn some goddamned self control.
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Post by cm on Sept 22, 2007 12:32:16 GMT -5
No. It's not an excuse. And they should be punished. But you and I have been to school. And kids get jumped ALL THE TIME.
How many times do attempted murder charges come from it?
It has everything to do with white versuses black. An earlier incident occurred where a glass bottle was smashed over a black kids head. Why wasn't he arrested?
These kids aren't heroes. It's the double standard by officials that is unjust.
The fact that you are bringing up the fact that I see the plight of Natives, my views on Natives, and Iraq, really makes me question your intentions here. Why are all your views pro-white?
Look at New Orleans where no military copters came for a long time to rescue people stranded on roofs because they didn't have the means to get out. Why were most black?
I am also concerned that people think this is just a Southern problem. A city like San Francisco, which is most liberal in the world, has a racist policy towards pushing out middle class families, who mostly happen to be black and hispanic, by strict zoning laws, and by only building hi-end residencies, instead of more affordable residencies. SF claims to be 'liberal' but is crawling with homeless, begging rich yuppies for money, while they ignore them while on march to their peace rally.
LAPD is one of the worst PD's in the whole nation.
All major studies show that blacks are prosecuted more severely than whites for the same crimes in just about every state.
In New York, a black groom got shot to death before his wedding, in which even conservative Michael Bloomberg had to admit that there was wrongdoing on their part.
In every town in Central Valley of California, blacks live on the West side, which is residue of segregation where blacks could only live on the side with the worst schools and healthcare, and wasn't allowed to live in wealthier east sides of cities where they can afford it.
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Post by 0 on Sept 22, 2007 12:41:46 GMT -5
They aren't "prowhite" but I just dont want to derail the focus onto things which aren't about the specifics of the case, which can create an emotional element and makes logic foggy. If we start focussing on elements outside the case then the facts get blurry. I added those things because I don't want it to devolve into a rant on how evil whitey is and use things like slavery or other historical aspects to validate it.
I think the D.A. acted inappropriately, probably either to maintain support from his base, to send a warning to hopefully difuse further tensions/hostilities, or because he's a just a racist redneck. Likewise it does seem like there is an unequal application of the law, though specific statutes would need to be analyzed in each separate element ( i.e. the rope hanging , the bottle assault etc - like could the bottle incident be seen as repelling trespassers under the law etc).
I just want a clear-headed review of it by an impartial body so that its neither a PC kid-gloves handling nor a parody of justice.
BTW regarding the NYC groom event, 2 of the cops who shot him were black
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Post by 0 on Sept 22, 2007 13:28:19 GMT -5
^ I grew up in the southern US and HATE rednecks - I've been called white nigger, nigger lover and physically threatened - and know about the old boys network etc (which may well have been at work here). I am glad that the case gained national attention and highlights inequities that still exist but I just wish it was more cut and dried, with the defendants being more justified or honorable in their actions.
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Post by waywardwolf on Sept 22, 2007 14:16:09 GMT -5
As with every case, there are exceptions, but American rednecks are a pretty spoiled, self-important, judgemental, and ignorant bunch. True that can be said about Americans in general, but there are more exceptions amongst other portions of Americans. Most of all, however, I think hicks are cowardly. In hillbilly high school, I was about 5'10, 140 lbs, and had a chip on my shoulder that only white kids could knock off. Still, I only managed to get in 2 real fights in Nixa. Tarnation! H'yuck, if'n they wanna say racist things about Mexicans lookin' in mah direction, they should at least raise them dukes o' theirs.
Sorry if I'm ranting too much in this thread, but I can't stand rednecks. Insufferable fools! The lot of them.
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Post by miaim on Sept 22, 2007 19:50:35 GMT -5
please sign the petition - they are not far off their 300,000 target: www.colorofchange.org/jena/main.htmlkeep up the pressure: bastards have denied bail to the juvenile they never should have tried as a juvenile in the first place....! signed it. thank you! as for assessing the case, y'all just have to read the info and reach your own conclusions, won't you? it's a long succession of escalating events - my opinion is that the African American kids are being singled out for harsh punishment for responding to provocation....but that's just my opinion.... best read up and draw your own conclusions: summary of case and links: www.colorofchange.org/jena/message.htmlwiki's Jena Six page, if you feel the Color of Change summary is 'biased': en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jena_Sixon a related note: Jena whiteboys get arrested for driving past protesters with nooses hanging from the back of the truck: ALEXANDRIA, Louisiana (CNN) -- A Louisiana city that hosted many of the "Jena 6" protesters Thursday became the site of a racially charged incident of its own.
Authorities in Alexandria, less than 40 miles southwest of Jena, arrested two people who were driving a red pickup Thursday night with two nooses hanging off the back, repeatedly passing groups of demonstrators who were waiting for buses back to their home states.
....The passenger told police he and his family are in the Ku Klux Klan and that he had KKK tattooed on his chest, the police report said.
Alexandria Mayor Jacques Roy said those involved were "from around Jena" and not from the same parish as his city.edition.cnn.com/2007/US/09/21/car.nooses/index.htmlit would seem the incidents didn't occur in a vacuum and the local white racists believe they can behave in a provocative manner....which suggests they usually get away with it....imo.... peace
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Post by 0 on Sept 22, 2007 21:59:53 GMT -5
If you don't want to be jumped, then don't go around calling people 'nigger' with malinentions. Well then it's a beating that's richly deserved. ;D I would like to see this kind of organisation and activism from Asians as well. So if some Aussies call some aborigines a name like abo or whatever slur you guys use do you think they are justified if a group then beats the aussie into unconsciousness? And if not, how is it different?
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Post by Ajeno on Sept 22, 2007 22:21:06 GMT -5
Reciprocating racism and violence with more nonsense never solve's anything eh..
I know being called a racial slur cut's deep and if i would've seen noose's hanging like that, i dont know what i would've done especially at that age.
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Post by cm on Sept 22, 2007 22:45:55 GMT -5
Black kids want to sit near a tree that white kids always sit at- 3 nooses
White kid smashes glass bottle over a black kids head- 3 day suspension
Black kids jump a white kid (which happens all the time in schools)- life in prison
Americans not seeing the double standard by prosecutors- Priceless
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Post by cm on Sept 22, 2007 22:51:54 GMT -5
They aren't "prowhite" but I just dont want to derail the focus onto things which aren't about the specifics of the case, which can create an emotional element and makes logic foggy. If we start focussing on elements outside the case then the facts get blurry. I added those things because I don't want it to devolve into a rant on how evil whitey is and use things like slavery or other historical aspects to validate it. I think the D.A. acted inappropriately, probably either to maintain support from his base, to send a warning to hopefully difuse further tensions/hostilities, or because he's a just a racist redneck. Likewise it does seem like there is an unequal application of the law, though specific statutes would need to be analyzed in each separate element ( i.e. the rope hanging , the bottle assault etc - like could the bottle incident be seen as repelling trespassers under the law etc). I just want a clear-headed review of it by an impartial body so that its neither a PC kid-gloves handling nor a parody of justice. BTW regarding the NYC groom event, 2 of the cops who shot him were black But this has EVERYTHING to do with racial aspects back in the past. Segregation still occured at the school...pretty much unspoken. Everybody just understood how things were. Blacks wanted to end it. When they used civil disobedience, whites responded with violence. Sounds like civil rights case huh? PC? Saying this is not racial is PC. This has everything to do with racial injustice in the law. White on black crimes get ignored. Black on white crimes get severe punishments. What is PC by making it a racial problem? There is a double standard. Whites don't get prosecuted, blacks did. It's PC to act colorblind and not see the double standard. As for the case- it doesn't matter what race cops are. Racial profiling is the main thing that led to attack. Lets shoot the negro because all negros have guns. That's the policy of police departments around the country. Ask any black person how many times they get pulled over for no reason, and it's shocking.
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Post by cm on Sept 22, 2007 22:55:59 GMT -5
I think there's a lot of false assumption already in that thread. One of them for example : it is perfectly possible to have escaped a murder attempt in the morrning and go to class in the evening. What kind of sophism is that, to claim such a false argument. Wtf, you guys are retard, if he escaped a knife, or got it in the arm instead of other vital organs. So yeah, real morron arguments here. There is no need to engage in such kind of disrespectful name calling just so you could make your point. Personally, I will never live in the Southern U.S. The people there are extremely nice superficially, but there remains a strong undercurrent of racism, though Southerners do not like to admit it. Heck the fact that a then Southern Senator can in this day and age still refer to a minority as "macaca" to the applause of his audience says a lot!!! Is a place like California that much better though? San Francisco is the most 'liberal' city in the US, yet their policy towards housing has caused a sharp drop in hispanics and blacks in the city. They hold one of the worst homeless problems in the nation. Many city people are extremely racist too. Michael Savage, the most conservative radio talk show host there is, is from San Francisco. LA has a gang war going on between blacks and hispanics. LAPD is known for being one of the most abusive police forces. Blacks are actually moving back to the South by the tens of thousands each year to escape racist cities, who don't cater to religious people or people with families, to southern cities like Houston.
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Post by cm on Sept 22, 2007 22:58:20 GMT -5
If you don't want to be jumped, then don't go around calling people 'nigger' with malinentions. Well then it's a beating that's richly deserved. ;D I would like to see this kind of organisation and activism from Asians as well. Exactly. Asians need to do more of this. Especially Chinese. In SF, there are chinese kids that get slurred at and beat up by whites and blacks all the time. But they never fight back. Their vietnamese counterparts never get messed with though, because they'll bring their whole crew to jump people. I remember backin the day there was a fight right on my street in Oakland, with 30 viets vs. 30 blacks. Nobody messes with viets anymore in oakland or sf.
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Post by cm on Sept 22, 2007 23:01:19 GMT -5
Later the same weekend, a black student was beaten up by white students at a party. The next day, black students at a convenience store were threatened by a young white man with a shotgun. They wrestled the gun from him and ran away. While no charges were filed against the white man, the students were arrested for the theft of the gun.2
That Monday at school, a white student, who had been a vocal supporter of the students who hung the nooses, taunted the black student who was beaten up at the off-campus party and allegedly called several black students "nigger." After lunch, he was knocked down, punched and kicked by black students. He was taken to the hospital but was released and was well enough to go to a social event that evening.3
the white kids who jumped a black kid at a party were not even arrested
DOUBLE STANDARD. End of story.
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Post by cm on Sept 22, 2007 23:02:23 GMT -5
I don't want that what I say being misinterpreted. But here in France, the Blacks consider themselves more 'French' than the Asians. That is more rights to job, etc than the Asians. Or said differently, the blacks in France are just saying to the Asians : 'go home'. I guess it's the same in the US. EDIT : and yeah, as CS says. It's the police to determine if there have been a murder attempt, not the mob opinion. Not if police members are part of the KKK or other white brotherhoods, which is common in some parts of the South.
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