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Post by mingzayni88 on Jun 10, 2009 8:43:04 GMT -5
Mixed Mongols are either the Turks who migrated westward from Mongolia - some with their own identity issues since the invention of racialism in the West, especially Anatolian Turks or Kazakhs from time to time... Or Mongol descendants such as Tatars in Europe (Mixed Turanid/Europid genetics), Hazaras in Afghanistan (Mixed Turanid/Iranic/Arabic genetics), Ilkhan descendants in Iran (similar to Hazaras), and Moghul descendants in India/Nepal (Mixed Turanid/Dravidic/Aryan genetics). Kalmyk and Buryat Mongols also have mixies - My grandfather was Kalmyk Mongol but my grandmother was Slavic for example (Kalmykia - Caucasus region near the caspian sea). But not all Kalmyks or Buryats have intermixed despite the fact we reside within the Russian Federation. Buryats generally have a higher ratio of intermixing however I've noticed (They reside north of Mongolia) Some Mongols who still reside in Mongolia, are mixed with Slavics yes due to the closeness between the USSR and Mongolia in history, many past leaders had Russian wifes, and some government officials are also mixed. I used to believe all Mongols were mixed but that was quite false after some research. Intermixing exists but it's not to that grand a scale. In Dzungaria (Northern East Turkistan in China), my grandfather's motherland (Kalmykia is the fatherland), and the ancestral home of my tribe - some have intermixed with Uyghur Turks, but majority still remain quite homogenous. Mainly the religion (Islam) that gives Oirat Mongols second thoughts about intermarriage. I have a hazara Afghani friend (born and raised in Pakistan, though)! I would post her pic if she wasn't so dang shy! Very pretty, though!
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Post by Subuatai on Jun 20, 2009 6:27:15 GMT -5
What's wrong with tribes? Most steppe people even today still know of their tribal origins. Yup, you're exactly right. It's become so deep that it's become a cultural trait. Hence anti-racism laws won't stick, problem is much deeper. A good friend of mine also once told me about her father - who had Indian mixture - hence not pure. When confronted, he speaks of it like it's something to be ashamed about. That's pretty cool There's a sizable Hazara community here in Australia as well nowadays. They are very good people I found. It's sad about what happened in their history. The American war in Afghanistan... well even though I don't really approve of American intrusions, saved Hazaras from genocide.
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Post by jaz on Jun 20, 2009 23:40:07 GMT -5
Only reason why you guys say that Jimmy Page looks so asian is because of his saggy upper eyelids and droopy skin. However, actually everyone, regardless of race, tends to get saggy skin as they get older. If you don't believe me go look at old white people and you'll see it. Its not that his small % of asian genes suddenly shine through its that as he ages his skin droops. Also most people here seem a little biased towards the asian side. Everyones bringing up 7/8 whites and 1/8 asians but what about 7/8 asians and 1/8 whites? Is it likely for a 7/8 asian to be deeply connected with their european roots? My mum and her siblings are 7/8 Asian (Chinese) ancestry 1/8 European (Irish). I think they tend to be regarded as full Asian because that's the part that stood out. The family lived in Toowoomba, (a town west of Brisbane, Australia in the 1940's) then moved to Brisbane in the 1950's, so they lived through a time when Asians were a very very small proportion of the population.
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Post by Shock on Jun 24, 2009 13:28:41 GMT -5
Im 1/4th "Asian" (I dunno if u guys consider pinoy asian), and I dont look it at all. Plus Im black so if I go around acting as if Im mixed, alot of people will say Im self-hating The only time it comes up is if people see me with my dad, or they find out my last name. I'm black and 1/4 Asian (along w/ some other stuff) too, and i would get the exact same thing if I told others about my admixture. I think it may be some kind of off shoot from the One Drop Rule days. Back then, it was the white people's rule for black people, but I guess it's been inforced so much that now we live by it. sad... I guess for mixed white people, others think that they are ashamed of their minority ancestry (which I know a lot just were nvr raised w/ the culture), and mentioning it would show that they aren't embarrassed of the minority ancestry. IDK, why the contrasts (standards for mixed black ppl and for mixed white ppl) still exists today, I guess it take a long time to get rid of certain mentalities, espacially if they are reinforced like these 2 are. How can you be black when you are 1/4 asian?
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Post by Shock on Jun 24, 2009 13:36:16 GMT -5
This bring me back to my childhood. I've always dreamed to be a nomad.
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Post by Subuatai on Jun 24, 2009 21:05:28 GMT -5
^ Then you'll like this song
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Post by mingzayni88 on Jun 25, 2009 20:28:45 GMT -5
I'm black and 1/4 Asian (along w/ some other stuff) too, and i would get the exact same thing if I told others about my admixture. I think it may be some kind of off shoot from the One Drop Rule days. Back then, it was the white people's rule for black people, but I guess it's been inforced so much that now we live by it. sad... I guess for mixed white people, others think that they are ashamed of their minority ancestry (which I know a lot just were nvr raised w/ the culture), and mentioning it would show that they aren't embarrassed of the minority ancestry. IDK, why the contrasts (standards for mixed black ppl and for mixed white ppl) still exists today, I guess it take a long time to get rid of certain mentalities, espacially if they are reinforced like these 2 are. How can you be black when you are 1/4 asian? Well, I guess i should have put part black or something. but, in the black community (who most have admixture themselves) you're supposed to ignore it. to avoid confrontation I just say i'm black, ppl would really start big arguments w/ u on this issue and call you a bunch of deragatory names, like sellout, uncle tom, say stuff like you're ashamed of being black, when it's not true at all and ur just merely acknowledging the fact that your mixed. My favourite is "U could call urself mixed all you want but when people see you they think your black so UR BLACK!" which i always thought was stupid really...i mean when ppl see a black man A LOT think uneducated drug dealer so should we say "You can go to university and make an honest living all you like but when ppl see you they see an uneducated drug dealer, so ur an UNEDUCATED DRUG DEALER!! end of story!" or a lot of ppl have a stereotype that black girls are ugly so should we say " well, u can have as much high self esteem and confidence as u want, it's worthless because when ur walking down the street all ppl see is an ugly black girl so UR UGLY!!!!" It's stupid really...¬¬
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Post by buffyuna on Jun 26, 2009 10:02:41 GMT -5
I think it may be some kind of off shoot from the One Drop Rule days. Back then, it was the white people's rule for black people, but I guess it's been inforced so much that now we live by it. sad... I agree, I think its subconsciously ingrained in our minds or something. For example Im completely against the one drop rule and the mentality that you are ashamed of your black side if you talk about your ethnic background. But I recently caught myself rolling my eyes at a dark skinned black girl in my class who said she was 1/3rd white (it was a race relations class). I had to catch myself because who was I to decide her ethnic background just based off of looks. However I do think that some black people play up their heritage to seem unique or "exotic". I cant really blame them tho because who wants to be just black? Other races have the luxury of naming their specific background while we are forced to take on a generic identity. I bet if we knew what part of Africa we hailed from, you would have more black people bragging about being Nigerian or Zimbabwean rather than clinging to a great great great great grandfather that was Indian.
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Post by buffyuna on Jun 26, 2009 10:10:54 GMT -5
Im 1/4th "Asian" (I dunno if u guys consider pinoy asian), and I dont look it at all. Plus Im black so if I go around acting as if Im mixed, alot of people will say Im self-hating The only time it comes up is if people see me with my dad, or they find out my last name. I think for black people, if you are mixed with something else u are automatically supposed to deny it and nobody has a problem with it. But if you are white and mixed with something, you HAVE to talk about it otherwise you are betraying the minority mixture. Y is that? I can see some of the filipino in you! in relation to you feeling like your a self hating african american by bringing up your filipino roots, I kind of think of it based on how close you are with your filipino grandparent.... have they told you about their culture? That should give you some kind of a african american/filipino identity right? haha random u heard of one of the guys from blackeyed peas i think his name is apl de ap or something? anyway he's black and filipino too Is that the guy that played Vega in the street fighter movie? I would have never guessed he was part black! And I was close to my grandfather, but he was pretty Americanized in that he didn't speak Tagalog or anything. I think the only time I got to experiance filipino culture was through my mom's best friend. I got to eat a lot of the traditional dishes whenever they had us over. Now that I think about it, my mom is kinda an asiaphile lol.
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Post by Subuatai on Jun 26, 2009 10:25:35 GMT -5
Yeah that's the sad truth.
And the result of continuing such pathetic behaviour in the 21st century; are extremely gorgeous black girls pushed to the point of racial insecurity ranging from either reverse racism or self-hate.
Bleh, sorry for my tone, but I guess this brings back memories. It's total cr-p what they have to go through. Kinda reminds me of that scene in the latest Hannibal movie I watched a while ago, he sliced that racist prick's gut open. Hehe, that was very satisfying.
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Post by mingzayni88 on Jun 26, 2009 21:46:26 GMT -5
Yeah that's the sad truth. And the result of continuing such pathetic behaviour in the 21st century; are extremely gorgeous black girls pushed to the point of racial insecurity ranging from either reverse racism or self-hate. Bleh, sorry for my tone, but I guess this brings back memories. It's total cr-p what they have to go through. Kinda reminds me of that scene in the latest Hannibal movie I watched a while ago, he sliced that racist prick's gut open. Hehe, that was very satisfying. Yes, quite a delightful scene! ;D
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Post by mingzayni88 on Jun 26, 2009 21:48:40 GMT -5
I think it may be some kind of off shoot from the One Drop Rule days. Back then, it was the white people's rule for black people, but I guess it's been inforced so much that now we live by it. sad... I agree, I think its subconsciously ingrained in our minds or something. For example Im completely against the one drop rule and the mentality that you are ashamed of your black side if you talk about your ethnic background. But I recently caught myself rolling my eyes at a dark skinned black girl in my class who said she was 1/3rd white (it was a race relations class). I had to catch myself because who was I to decide her ethnic background just based off of looks. However I do think that some black people play up their heritage to seem unique or "exotic". I cant really blame them tho because who wants to be just black? Other races have the luxury of naming their specific background while we are forced to take on a generic identity. I bet if we knew what part of Africa we hailed from, you would have more black people bragging about being Nigerian or Zimbabwean rather than clinging to a great great great great grandfather that was Indian. You know, I've been thinking this for quite a while now. i think it'll be def something good.
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Post by toyomansi on Jun 28, 2009 6:01:45 GMT -5
haha random u heard of one of the guys from blackeyed peas i think his name is apl de ap or something? anyway he's black and filipino too Is that the guy that played Vega in the street fighter movie? I would have never guessed he was part black! lol, I just watched the Street Fighter movie... No, Vega is played by Taboo, the long haired mexican guy in Black Eyed Peas ^^ here's apl.de.ap's filipino song:
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Post by mingzayni88 on Aug 28, 2009 12:31:09 GMT -5
^Bermuda (my country) has a good bit of filipinos and few in my neigbourhood, they're always playing that song! Well, the young filipinos, I mean.
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Post by milkman's baby on Aug 29, 2009 15:29:41 GMT -5
I bet if we knew what part of Africa we hailed from, you would have more black people bragging about being Nigerian or Zimbabwean rather than clinging to a great great great great grandfather that was Indian. A lot of white people do this too. They are probably bored with saying they're just English, so they have to make up some elaborate story about how they're 1/64 Cherokee or their great grandfather was an Apache chief. Anyway, African-American has almost become somewhat of a race within itself, apart from the blacks in Africa. I think there was an estimate that approximately 30% of blacks today have white ancestry, and blacks have lived in the US for so long that I honestly think there is a physical difference that's "evolved." I can usually tell when a black person is American or from West Africa by looking at them. West Africans tend to be darker with a different facial structure.
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