devinsky
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Post by devinsky on Aug 11, 2008 21:20:58 GMT -5
hey guys! i'm a polish tatar, basically that means my family are from poland but are ethnically mixed slavic and mongol. it tends to have funky results, like good ol' Charles Bronson( Buchinkis) of Death wish fame. have you guys seen a lot of other asians with blue eyes? how bout blond hair? here's a couple pics of my pops as an example :
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Post by cinnamoroll on Aug 12, 2008 4:54:20 GMT -5
Wow your Dad has really striking eyes! Especially in the 1st one where he's a bit tanned. I've never seen a full-blooded Asian with blue eyes... but even mixed people the furthest from brown eyes that I've seen is green and orangey-greeney hazel.
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devinsky
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Polish,mongol,metis,gaelic,african.
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Post by devinsky on Aug 12, 2008 21:23:02 GMT -5
haha striking? thanks, i'm pretty much a carbon copy of my dad. it's great to see that theres so many mixed asians out there, around here in winnipeg most are all or nothing
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Post by Altan on Aug 18, 2008 22:30:52 GMT -5
There are a lot of Tartar/Mongol/Turk forum sites out there. Some are in Russian/Tartar and Turkish. Not sure about the Mongol forums. Ural Altai all the way! Wraith of Khan....can call me Altan Khan. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altan_Khan
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Post by jefe on Aug 19, 2008 2:32:14 GMT -5
I have met / seen a few Han Chinese (both parents presumably full Han Chinese) who have blue or otherwise light (eg, grey or green) eyes, in the days before colored contact lenses were available. They seemed to be a bit self-conscious about their eyes.
My (Taiwanese born "full" Chinese) Mandarin tutor in university told me that her brother had blue eyes, and she had some other relatives who did, so it "ran" in her family.
In NW China, I saw a number of persons with blue, grey or green eyes, but the majority of them were not Han Chinese. I have met a number of Eurasians with blue / green / grey eyes. Since genes for light eyes must come from both parents to recombine in the child, it attests that there are some genes for light eyes on the Asian parent's side even if it does not show up directly in them.
If more Eurasians "breed" (sorry about this term) with other Eurasians or with Asians, you will see more and more persons who may be mostly Asian, but have blue eyes, much as you can see it in the African-American population.
I hope that people will finally realize that the whole world's population is already mixed with everyone else. There has been gene interchange among the whole world for centuries or even millenia.
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Post by jefe on Aug 19, 2008 6:21:10 GMT -5
^ I wonder if Eurasians 'breed' (We know you're refering to "have sex with" ) other Eurasians... Would it be possible that somewhere along the line of Eurasian children and grandchildren and greatgrandchildren etc... There would be like a random full white or full asian looking Eurasian? I think you can take a cue to the African-European mixture that has been occurring in the USA since the 1600s -- 400 years of interbreeding (although largely restricted during the anti-miscegenation years from the 1890s to the 1960s -- However, European ancestry had already been mixed into the "colored" population and some African ancestry had been mixed into the "white" population). Studies, both anecdotal and carefully researched concluded the mixing continued unabated even during the anti-miscegenation era as follows: * the slave population in the 1860s consisted of many mixtures, from full African to mulatto and quadroon. The *Free* (ie, non-slave) colored population already had a large percentage of persons who were partly of European descent, including colored (sic) persons living in non-slave states and creole persons in places like Louisiana. By the 1890s, these persons were forbidden to *breed* with whites, but they could breed (which may or may not involve marriage) with each other. In fact, it was the anti-miscegenation laws that actually caused European ancestry to spread even further into the *colored* population, eg, mulattos marrying other mulattos or full African *negroes* (sic). Great example -- Malcolm X -- he father was nearly full African but his mother was half white -- his paternal grandfather was a white man -- so he was around 70% African or so. After 3-4 additional generations, the vast majority of USA blacks in 1970 had traces, sometimes substantial amounts of European ancestry. Even Obama's kids are probably just around 60-65% African. However, studies showed that the African ancestry percentage clustered around 80%; the European % clustered around 18%, with a couple percent traceable to Native American or Asian sources. The anti-miscegenation laws caused the succeeding populations to increasingly cluster around a mode. The vast majority of blacks in the USA in 1970 were between 50% and 100% African with a mode near 80%. There were large numbers of persons between 25% and 50% African during the Civil War, but by 1970, they had largely disappeared (or at least greatly reduced their percentage) from the population. If the purpose of the anti-miscegenation laws was to remove the visibly mixed portion out of the population, then it was rather successful. What happened? * The studies showed that there was another cluster (or secondary mode) in the population of persons with 10-15% African ancestry and 85% European. However, these persons were generally classified as "white" persons. It turns out that many hundreds of thousands of persons (if not more) of partial African ancestry were able to *pass* as white if they did not live and work in a black neighborhood. Some passed for convenience (eg, to get a job in a downtown office, only to return to live in a black neighborhood at night), but some made the decision to pass as white for all social purposes, including marriage and raising a family. If they never told their spouses, then their children might not even know. There are as many white people in the USA with African ancestry and there are black people (most with European ancestry) -- it has been well mixed into both sides. So, anti-miscegenation laws caused a population with significant numbers of persons from 20% to 100% African ancestry to cluster around two modes, a *black* mode and a *white* mode. * With intermarriage increasing from the 1970s, we can expect the number of persons with 25-50% African ancestry to increase. For example, if a typical African-American with 80% African ancestry marries a white person (with little or no African ancestry), the children would be approximately 40% African -- people like Halle Berry and Jordin Sparks will be much more common. I think that in a few years, the USA would look more like Brazil -- a more even continuum from 0% to 100%. * With both parents having mixed ancestry, it is very possible to have children that vary widely -- I have seen families where one child is decidedly more African looking, and the sibling could pass as white. Indeed, I have known persons where both parents are "light-skinned" and not very active in the black community (rather *white* if you know what I mean), have a child that is lighter than either one of them who can pass as white, and then have another child that is much darker, with more African hair and features. I have also seen where a kid was born into an African-American family, but somehow was almost always mistaken as white. He even got beat up for dating black girls because black boys thought he was white. However, having grown up in an African-American family, he could not simply decide to be white. * Another example www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-377839/Black-white-twins.htmlIf you need a Eurasian example, look no further than HK celebrity Karen (Mok) Morris. Both of her parents were Eurasian, but she is essentially passing as Chinese and changed her name to Mok. Most of the HK persons I talk with did not even realize (or maybe knew, but simply did not think about it) that she was Eurasian. Her brother Trevor, on the other hand has fairer complexion, wavy brown hair and some more European features -- still somewhat Eurasian looking, but not Chinese looking in the eyes of most HK people. I am sure that most HK people would call him a gwei-lo even though he is Karen's brother. Interestingly, he uses only his Anglo surname in public. You will see this phenomenon in Eurasians in all places where Eurasians have lived for many generations, and often marry each other (eg, Singapore / Malaysia, Macau, Hawaii,etc.) In Malaysia and Macau, the multi-generational Eurasians tend to have more Asian ancestry (even if Eurasians generally marry each other, it was more likely that the odd Asian would marry into the family rather than the odd Caucasian) but European surnames.
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Post by catgirl on Aug 20, 2008 10:38:12 GMT -5
hey guys! i'm a polish tatar, basically that means my family are from poland but are ethnically mixed slavic and mongol. it tends to have funky results, like good ol' Charles Bronson( Buchinkis) of Death wish fame. have you guys seen a lot of other asians with blue eyes? how bout blond hair? here's a couple pics of my pops as an example : So slavic and asian = tatar?? What do you mean asians with blue eyes and blonde hair? 100% asians? Or mixed?
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Post by penguinopolipitese on Aug 20, 2008 18:32:38 GMT -5
cool I always thought bronson had a unique kind of look. you learn something new every day.
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Post by alphamikefoxtrot on Aug 21, 2008 12:47:22 GMT -5
I think Ellen Barkin mentioned she had the same sort of ancestry...
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Post by jericho on Aug 31, 2008 3:34:37 GMT -5
They don't exist. Although I know a nice mixed girl in Fukushima with beautiful green eyes.
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Post by davidbleo on Sept 5, 2008 4:03:14 GMT -5
I once saw a picture of a man from East Turkestan, oops, Xinjiang... he was of east asian features but blonde and with blue eyes. And I bet that in Central Asian countries there most be more people with such features...
On a side note... one of my classmates back in high school was from Cuba, and he has blue eyes and blonde hair but his features are quite african. And, no, he wasn't albino =P.
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Post by swordcane on Sept 6, 2008 12:30:50 GMT -5
(I haven't posted here in ages!) I think blue eyes are very common among tatars, my father is 1/2 Russian tatar and 1/2 Mongolian, and both he and my uncle have ice blue eyes. Being only 1/4 Asian (I guess maybe marginally more, but no way to quantify it) I guess it's not that big of a deal that I have light green-blue-grey eyes. This is a close-up of them from my profile picture: If you look, I have a patch of light brown in my left eye. I also have many friends who are full Asian who have light brown to green eyes, though I've never met anyone with blue. (edited to fix picture )
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Post by catgirl on Sept 7, 2008 12:21:01 GMT -5
Yeah. And many eurasians have hazel or green eyes ;D I think they rarely have blue, but alot of 1/4 asians have blue like you
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Post by jefe on Sept 8, 2008 4:50:40 GMT -5
Asians with blue eyes DO indeed occur, not only in Mongolian or Uyghur populations, but even occasionally in East Asian populations among individuals who assumed that they were *pure* East Asian.
The whole world is genetically mixed and genes for just about everything is mixed into other populations. Given that there are over 1 billion Han Chinese, you will find genetic markers for just about everything, including traits associated with Africa, Europe, the Americas. Yes, it takes a good deal of chance for something like blue eyes to occur, but it certainly will occur if we can witness, say, a billion matings. Even an event as rare as 1 in 100,000 will occur over 13,000 times in a population of 1.3 billion.
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Post by jefe on Sept 8, 2008 4:52:32 GMT -5
I once saw a picture of a man from East Turkestan, oops, Xinjiang... he was of east asian features but blonde and with blue eyes. And I bet that in Central Asian countries there most be more people with such features... On a side note... one of my classmates back in high school was from Cuba, and he has blue eyes and blonde hair but his features are quite african. And, no, he wasn't albino =P. Yes, I have seen the former phenomenon many many times when I was in Xinjiang and the latter phenomenon many many times in the USA. Western European ancestry is mixed into well over 90% of the African-American population, that these events are not that uncommon at all.
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