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Post by palaver on May 5, 2009 13:05:40 GMT -5
^ Are you planning on marrying Heaven?
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Post by Subuatai on May 5, 2009 17:30:55 GMT -5
@palaver ... Erm, Heaven is what both me and my wife have decided as the name of our daughter. halfbreedWell she's going to have a Pagan daddy and a Christian mummy, only compromise is; let her make her own choice
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Post by meep on May 6, 2009 1:23:46 GMT -5
Heaven is an interesting name! Did it take you a long time thinking of what to name your daughter? I always think of names to call my babies. I am 19, however, so there is still a lot of thinking to be had until the crunch.
How long is there till Heaven is born?
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Post by Subuatai on May 6, 2009 6:51:37 GMT -5
Heh to be honest before I was hoping for a son, a mini-Suby. So I ended up with more ideas for a boy then a girl. My wife however, liked the name Heaven if we had a daughter, and it kinda stuck. So I just went, hmmm, sounds cool.
My people traditionally worshipped Tengri - the heaven/eternal blue sky. My wife is a Christian, so it seemed like a nice blend to simply call our daughter by the English word Heaven. Seems to be a reminder of some common ground in beliefs as well.
Heaven is due in 2 months, not very long to go at all. Quite nervous actually, and if I think about it too much I get too excited to sleep. I'm only 24 myself btw... and I didn't have much time to think about this heh
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Post by nemesisgalofdoom on May 6, 2009 16:04:23 GMT -5
I hope Heaven doesn't turn out to be an atheist. ;D Mwuhaaaaa ... ;D @ sub Yes, Heaven is a very interesting name ! (Although I prefer Hell - I've heard that Heaven is a very boring place but oh well, it must be a rumor ... ;D ) The name reminds me on one of those very modern strange Japanese names which doesn't sound Japanese but can be written by Kanji like: *Harmony*, *Etude* or *Glenn* ... Cool names, but I wanted a Japanese name for my Daughter that obviously sounds Japanese ........... Please dont forget 2 post me a pic ..... She is def. a cutie ^^
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Post by Subuatai on May 6, 2009 17:42:08 GMT -5
Hell? LOL! Well her surname is obviously going to be Mongol, so Heaven as a first name - it seems fine
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Post by nemesisgalofdoom on May 6, 2009 18:46:56 GMT -5
Yep. According to my former best friend, hell is the most exciting place where u can be, because u find all sexiest and hottest guy in hell - there for we wanted to be there to pick some up... ;D
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Post by amalgam on May 6, 2009 20:32:12 GMT -5
Hey Subuatai, long time no talk. I strongly believe that even though times may be hard now, with your situation, girlfriend/wife? and daughter-to-come, in the future, things like this work out dude. Don't be so pessimistic about being a father/husband, actually, if you have the right heart in a marriage, your love for your partner and girlfriend could really blossom, AND, of course you can still have intimacy, passion, romance and games, marriage should always have that in it. Umm another thing, assuming your girlfriend is religious, comming from another 'religious guy', let her know that this situation is nothing for her to be ashamed about at all, if she sees it as a bad thing, heck, EVERYONE has done worse things than giving birth to a new born baby (well, she will give birth soon anyway right?), looking down on herself for this is absolutely ridiculous and quite proposterous in my opinion, and if anyone looks down on her, we both live in Sydney right? LET'S GIVE THEM A FREE TICKET TO DISNEY-FIST! (If you get what I mean.) I sincerely congratulate you on your becomeing-a-future-dad-ness, love your partner, love your kid, love life... I'm sure you will learn as life progresses. You're awesome dude!
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Post by Subuatai on May 6, 2009 21:34:54 GMT -5
She's Christian yes, but far from religious - the problem is with her mother and her church. She's not ashamed of anything, but my mother-in-law... well, let's just say we can't see eye to eye on anything. To her, I 'defiled' her daughter with 'barbarian' 'pagan' genes. She despises me, and always saying that I'm going to abandon our child, be a violent drunk, and lead her away from God (yet at the same time she's the one who proposed my wife get an abortion!). She's calming down now however since we got married, maybe after Heaven is born things will change. As for giving f--kwits a free ticket to disney-fist, I've already slipped quite a few times and consider myself lucky no one yet has pressed charges for assault. I got a bad temper when someone dehumanises my daughter before she is even born - in Australia it's just sickening that you can be the most racist person on earth but think you can get away with it as long as you are 'polite' and 'only joking'. Thanks though, life will either just get better, or I'll just end up getting used to it. Win/win in a way
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Post by Altan on May 6, 2009 22:57:01 GMT -5
Well is what she says true?
Basically, if you don't have all that much in common it can be pretty hard. Money is an equalizer but not the "answer". Sometimes just gotta move on. I don't believe in abortion at all but you have got to understand the brutal system Russians have been under for many years, "Heathen Communism." So they think like animals.
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Post by amalgam on May 6, 2009 23:19:09 GMT -5
Man, her mother sounds terrible, who would say something like that!? Well, now I understand why people hate their mother-in-laws as a stereotype so much... I must admit, I could probably understand how this might be, 'difficult' for her in that sense but like that's over the top, completely inappropriate. And is her church saying this as well, if it is, that's F__DGED, if so please don't associate Christians as general with those sub-human categories. How the hell will your daughter feel when she finds out that her own grandmother wanted her dead before she was born, man, well just disregard anything she says negative about you, your wife or your baby. As a guy who loves Jesus, I know that even from a Christian perspective, your daughter-to-be is a miracle and that she is precious to God (even if you don't believe it I'm just saying from my view AND, in contrast to what your mother-in-law has been saying). And what have these 'humans' been saying about your yet-to-be-born daughter? Is it racism, because that is SO stuffed if it is. Let me at them too, and if they want to press charges on us, just say that racism in Australia is a 9 year jail term (in theory it really is under strict new laws, however I'm yet to see them enforce it) and they will cower out. I hope you don't take what they say too personally, I mean, as properly developed human beings, we must understand their level of intelligence is still... developing into what is classified as human sentience. xD And with the win/win thing, GREAT ATTITUDE! As I said, I'm sure things will work out, if you and your partner wants it, they always do.
P.S. Is your mother-in-law Asian or Caucasian, outta curiousity...
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Post by Altan on May 7, 2009 0:32:58 GMT -5
Asian it would be a blessing. Caucasian it could be trouble and got to hush these things up. Outta curiosity.....I'm only guessing.
I LOVE JESUS as well and you guess.
A lot of Jesus against the "others" are usually Un-Caucasian. Mexicans, Arabs, Chinese, Japanese, Native Americans, Blacks....Laos, Vietnamese...list goes on.
Here in the "States" gotta get them.
Profile and deviancy.
Chinese and Arabs are the same here non-Whites.
Wanting to be White. Let them it will drive the economy!
Races as other are "Deviant" as classified as such here.
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Post by meep on May 7, 2009 3:07:42 GMT -5
^ I did not understand that completely! But from what I have heard, Asian mother in laws (in the perspective of the woman, i.e, her husband's mother), are really quite difficult. Generalisations are accurate (sarcasm).
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Post by Subuatai on May 7, 2009 4:25:56 GMT -5
Well is what she says true? Well, I did "defile" her daughter, since she's pregnant I am a "barbarian", as I am Mongol I am a "pagan", as I believe in Tengriism However, I will never abandon my child, nor am I a violent drunk even if I do drink casually, and I have no intention of converting my wife into Tengriism nor does she have any intention of converting me into Christianity. Her mother is Chinese, her father is Swedish - her father has no problems with me. However he seems to be a yes-man, and when his wife is around he acts like a prick with me unfortunately. Generally though, he's alright. Yes that was a kicker, I had to get a new door fixed in my house after punching a hole in it. I just couldn't understand what she hates in me so much as to talk to her daughter about murdering her grandchild. I don't have any problems with Christianity until they pin "infidel" on me which unfortunately Hillsong does. Most of them however, pin it "nicely" on me luckily - they just insult my faith instead In Australia you can make the most racist comments yet save yourself from being called a racist if you say it politely or say "I'm only joking" shortly after it. It's just standard racism, something I've grown used to. However it seems I have gotten a lot more touchy with this when it's directed against my wife or daughter. Seriously I have no idea where they get the impression that my daughter is going turn out subhuman just because she has a unique racial mix, nor do I like the idea they have that anyone with Chinese genes like my wife and daughter are degenerate. There's a lot more racism then that, but as always; it's subtle, nothing we can do about it, and I'm not going to push my luck with assaults - I'm already on a spent conviction with the courts until 6 more years. I've invested on a punching bag instead - just no where to hang it yet without bringing down the wooden patio. Besides, they were "only joking" It actually started over 3 years ago when I was just friends with my wife. I guess it's partly my fault, I may have been rather 'arrogant' in my dealings with her, she never liked the fact that I speak of my Mongol blood so proudly - it's like she believes I should be shameful. Shockingly enough, she considers my Russian blood a redeeming feature Nor does she like my views on Christianity nor my own faith as a "Pagan". I was never rich either, and she comes from a rich family. To her, I was the type of bloke she would not want her daughter to get serious with. During the course of 3 years me and wife broke up repeatedly, and I hurt her quite a few times, which only fueled my mother-in-law's hatred. I'm a working man, always have been, not a student studying for a professional degree; hence to her views I am not boy-friend material for her daughter. She does speak some truth in that however, I wish I don't have to work this hard just to support my new family.
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