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Post by halfbreed on Apr 2, 2009 10:26:09 GMT -5
Natural.
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Post by Miyuki on Apr 2, 2009 11:27:05 GMT -5
C sections are over used is the United States. So an Asian woman giving birth in a western society is going to have a cesarean section--not because her white husband--but because of her white doctor. Wrong white guy. The Busine$$ of Being Born: Funny how you equate western society with the United States. ;D Don’t forget about Canada. The birthing system in Canadian hospitals is very different from what’s shown in the Business Of Being Born. That’s a very one sided, biased documentary. It’s a good film nevertheless, for its history on birthing methods etc., and you get to see Ricki Lake naked. Anyways, the couple who mentioned this myth to me was actually referring to their birthing experience in Japan. I have no idea what their c-section rates are, but this couple was adamant about it being a trend over there with mixed couples. i can't watch the vieo,but i've heard a lot about women scheduling their children's births now via c-section.it seems so wrong and unnatural. I’ve heard one reason for Hollywood women scheduling sections is that stretch marks don’t actually set in until the last few weeks prior to birth, so to avoid the nasty career ruining marks they schedule them in advance. Even though I think that’s a terrible risk to take, that’s the only semi-justifiable reason I can think of. I was born naturally, in HK. Apparently I had a big head and freaked my dad out when i popped out. And I've also heard in Asia (from a pregnant colleague) that doctor's.. 'cut' women to make it easier for the baby to come out naturally due to the smaller area. And my friend (non-chinese) who gave birth in HK made it part of her birthing plan to forbid the doctor from cutting her no matter what. I believe that used to be a standard practice here in North America too, but I think it’s only done when totally necessary nowadays. I’ve heard the recovery from those types of cuts is sometimes worse than c-sections! ps: My Daughters Birth has been very complicated: it took 24h (!!!) - almost twice C-Section (the docters has been saying C-Section, then another one said no, then again C-Section......) In the endeffect, my Daughter has been pulled out with a vacuum extractor, but no C-Section. I had an infusion of oxytocine. She is a 11 days "overdue" Baby, I begged the docters to take her out by force - they actually wanted me to wait untill the 14th day of overdue, but I wanted to be sure that she is alive !!! Hehe, this is because I didnt have any contraction, nothing at all ;D pps: plz just ignore my terrible spelling mistake, its almost 4:30 cet here and I'm f*cking tired ^^' Wow, 24 hours! You are one strong woman! Okay, so it sounds like it's a myth.  My coworker is days away from giving birth to an EA baby. I really should have kept my mouth shut about this "theory." She's having enough anxiety as it is! |
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Post by palaver on Apr 2, 2009 17:44:05 GMT -5
Is the U.S. not a good example for everything that can go wrong in western society?  Anyway, those two statements were separate. Obstetricians, a western innovation, are medically trained surgeons--not midwives. The documentary was meant to expose the bias of their professional opinion and the influence of legal calculations and money on the profession. And that's new information to a lot people. To an Obstetrician, their surgical knife is more reliable than your contraction because so few of them do natural births. The real question of bias is Why don't know mothers this before making these critical decisions?The point is that the reasons for C-sections are more social than biological--or in the case you presented--the culture factor of racial intermixing and not the biological factor. Complications resulting from drug induced labor that lead to emergency C-sections are also more of cultural factor--which is later complicated into a biological factor. Also, I rather have watched it without the birthing scenes or celebrity nudity for reasons I'm ashamed to admit. |
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Post by Miyuki on Apr 3, 2009 7:51:35 GMT -5
The real question of bias is Why don't know mothers this before making these critical decisions?It's a long road back from where we've come. The last one hundred years have been spent educating women on the benefits of medicalized births, so it's going to take a while. Plus, who are the people educating women about their birthing choices? Usually doctors. Or their mothers, who most likely were knocked out for their labours. Up here in Canada where we have universal health care, provinces are slowly covering the full costs of midwifery care so things are changing for the better. My province for example, will pay the full costs as of April this year. Last year it would cost the average couple about $4000 for the same services. The point is that the reasons for C-sections are more social than biological--or in the case you presented--the culture factor of racial intermixing and not the biological factor. Complications resulting from drug induced labor that lead to emergency C-sections are also more of cultural factor--which is later complicated into a biological factor. Yep. I can't believe how many women I know who've had c-sections "to save the baby." They don't see the connection between the drugs and the final result. It's always, thank God the doctors were able to save us.  I do wonder though about women with small pelvises. My friend's sister is scheduled for a c-section because she's too small and her first one got stuck. Also, I rather have watched it without the birthing scenes or celebrity nudity for reasons I'm ashamed to admit. You know you loved it! ;D |
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Post by nemesisgalofdoom on Apr 3, 2009 13:44:56 GMT -5
Wow, 24 hours! You are one strong woman! Thx But actually I'm not. I got PDA the whole time and didnt felt a single pain. I don't even know how contraction feels, never hat one. She just didnt want to come out  But the long duration has drived me really crazy .....  |
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Post by Miyuki on Apr 4, 2009 12:16:10 GMT -5
Wow, 24 hours! You are one strong woman! Thx But actually I'm not. I got PDA the whole time and didnt felt a single pain. I don't even know how contraction feels, never hat one. She just didnt want to come out But the long duration has drived me really crazy ..... Sorry, I only know one acronym for PDA, and I doubt that's what you're referring to. What is PDA? It must have been tough, pain meds or not. That's a long time! |
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Post by dave on Apr 6, 2009 14:33:34 GMT -5
^My best bet is she means PCA. Patient controlled analgesia.
From what I know ethnicity doesn't play a huge factor unless the mother is african where the incidence might be higher. Dunno why.
It's also more likely with increasing socioeconomic status.
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Post by decepticons on Apr 6, 2009 15:46:14 GMT -5
well thats probably just because people with more money are more likely to go to hospitals where they would suggest c-sections.
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Post by nemesisgalofdoom on Apr 7, 2009 11:42:45 GMT -5
^My best bet is she means PCA. Patient controlled analgesia. Hi dave, thanx for helping, I was lazy to answer here ^^ The P stands for "peri" and the D stands for "dural" - its latin. I really dont know the English Term for those word, and A is not for analgesia, but something similar ^^ I got some Opioids and Localanaesthetics shot in my back and had my whole consious, this is the deal. |
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Post by dave on Apr 8, 2009 5:14:42 GMT -5
^lol oh I right I see, aka epidural in some parts of the world
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Post by milkman's baby on Apr 15, 2009 18:47:43 GMT -5
C sections are over used is the United States. So an Asian woman giving birth in a western society is going to have a cesarean section--not because her white husband--but because of her white doctor. Wrong white guy. The Busine$$ of Being Born: I saw that documentary. It was interesting, but definitely biased. Ricki Lake is kinda annoying too. I don't think Asian women are any more susceptible to C-sections necessarily because the father is white. If he's a 6'4" 240 lb man and comes from a family of fat babies, maybe. But that could be an Asian father as well. The guy would have to be bigger than average and the woman would have to be real frail. A lot of those stories you hear of women's pelvis's breaking because of a big baby probably has to do with more than just the father. Osteoporosis, dangerous physical activity, and other factors commonly make a woman's pregnancy difficult. |
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Post by catgirl on Apr 20, 2009 15:37:37 GMT -5
Hmm, I thought White people had a bit smaller head shapes than Asians. And technically the babies heads are the biggest problem during birth, so I would assume it was the other way around???  Maybe this head thing is also is a myth, Im not sure I think women usually choose C-sections, and its rare that they are obliged to do so. Few that I know at least, and the ones that have chose it! |
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But the long duration has drived me really crazy ..... 
