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Post by Subuatai on Apr 15, 2009 18:02:05 GMT -5
All men from "civilised" nations want submissive women, whether West or East. The only difference now between the two cultures is that the West has pushed very hard for feminism, while East Asia is still very much masochist. Feminism in the West is still with its flaws however - women have gained power but culturally majority do not understand the concept of responsibility.
Amongst my people in Eurasia, where historically women were always given power and learnt responsibility of that power - steppe nations never had this preference for submissive women. Strong, wise and even more mature - are traits looked for in women, instead of the "Submissive, weak, yes-woman" thing going on. Asiaphiles seem to be intimidated by Mongols for this reason, they just can't seem to accept Asian women standing up for themselves.
But it's probably one of the few EA mixes where some people believe it's better when Mongol women intermix rather then men. As Mongol fathers with foreign wives seem to raise their child according to their wife's culture - I'm blessed in that manner as my grandmother who is Russian, has Tatar ancestry and loves nomadic culture. Others however, seem to be rather confused. Now Mongol mothers however - tend to push the men to give their children a Mongol name, even surname in one family I found, taught them the language, culture, and history.
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Post by betahat on Apr 16, 2009 2:41:40 GMT -5
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Post by Fiona on Apr 16, 2009 7:52:52 GMT -5
"Allen's relationships to actress Mia Farrow and her adopted daughter Soon-Yi Previn, whom Allen married" Woah what? ...Awkward crushes thread?
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Post by Kush on Apr 16, 2009 14:26:17 GMT -5
To be honest, that's just creepy. He raised her as his daughter so at what point did that all change - I don't really want to know. Back on topic though, I feel the whole "Failed with white girls? Get a young beautiful submissive Asian girl easy. However, it does require that you are white." implies a racial hierarchy of dating - and whoever buys into it deserves a nice hard slap in the face. It also gives the impression that all Asian women have a raging lust for caucasian men (however ravaged they may be), which of course isn't true either but nonetheless Asian women now have to carry that prejudice around with them anyway. Not to mention the oppressed relationships give the genuine relationships a horrible undeserved stigma. To be honest, I find racial preference in dating to be a totally foreign concept. I only go by two scales: sexy or not sexy and nice or not nice
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Post by nemesisgalofdoom on Apr 16, 2009 15:16:46 GMT -5
To be honest, that's just creepy. He raised her as his daughter so at what point did that all change - I don't really want to know. Back on topic though, I feel the whole "Failed with white girls? Get a young beautiful submissive Asian girl easy. However, it does require that you are white." implies a racial hierarchy of dating - and whoever buys into it deserves a nice hard slap in the face. It also gives the impression that all Asian women have a raging lust for caucasian men (however ravaged they may be), which of course isn't true either but nonetheless Asian women now have to carry that prejudice around with them anyway. WORD ... !
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Post by penguinopolipitese on Apr 16, 2009 19:12:12 GMT -5
They are kind of creepy aren't they? but on the other hand at least you can count on them for attention. Sometimes it's nice to have someone enthused with you whatever the reason. I kind of don't see such attractions working out in the longterm though...
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Post by palaver on Apr 16, 2009 19:23:15 GMT -5
Asian women are paedomorphic. That's only reason why western men would be Asiaphiles. Those same men prefer blondes and other neotenous features. An EA Scandinavian mix would only disappoint him: higher testosterone levels without the blonde hair and exaggerated paedomorphism of an Asian.
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Post by betahat on Apr 16, 2009 19:59:48 GMT -5
"Asian women are paedomorphic. That's only reason why western men would be Asiaphiles."
I don't like your biological/genetic reductionism. I think the cultural stereotypes about Asian women are important, though the economic aspect is also important (let's face it - these men are rich. Old dirty rich white men are probably equal opportunity when it comes to hitting on younger, less `powerful' women. Before they were crusing bars in Asia, they were probably hooking up with their immigrant factory workers or screwing their slave son the plantation.)
But kudos for introducing us all to new words.
I haven't heard any of the men here complain about Asiaphilia (or EAphilia) directed at them by dirty old white women (or women of any race or age). Funny that. In some ways I feel like the complaints here are better directed at men in general than Asiaphilia per se - after all, men of all races treat women of all races like garbage frequently, even if there is a special place in hell for the dirty old rich white guys who hit on jenniferbrook. If the older white guy was courteous, funny, and pleasant I can't imagine too many women would recoil violently from their attention, even if they weren't sexually interested,
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Post by jenbrook on Apr 16, 2009 21:58:45 GMT -5
To be honest, that's just creepy. He raised her as his daughter so at what point did that all change - I don't really want to know. Back on topic though, I feel the whole "Failed with white girls? Get a young beautiful submissive Asian girl easy. However, it does require that you are white." implies a racial hierarchy of dating - and whoever buys into it deserves a nice hard slap in the face. It also gives the impression that all Asian women have a raging lust for caucasian men (however ravaged they may be), which of course isn't true either but nonetheless Asian women now have to carry that prejudice around with them anyway. Not to mention the oppressed relationships give the genuine relationships a horrible undeserved stigma. I know, right? It sucks to hang out with your dad in public and have people think that he's your boyfriend . But unfortunatly there are lots of dirty old white men/desperate young asian women who encourage this racial hierarchy of dating. Its not a pleasant stereotype for the rest of us to deal with but theres enough of it going on that most people would assume that an older white male with a young asian female are in that sort of relationship.
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Post by palaver on Apr 16, 2009 22:00:29 GMT -5
(let's face it - these men are rich. Old dirty rich white men are probably equal opportunity when it comes to hitting on younger, less `powerful' women. Before they were crusing bars in Asia, they were probably hooking up with their immigrant factory workers or screwing their slave son the plantation.) Claiming a philia for the particular female you're hitting on is pure opportunism in that regard. He means nothing by it--except to exploit or ease any racial anxieties. But if a male was truly enthralled in an Asian obsession, defining it around race--not culture, religion, geography, or socioeconomic status--is sign he's after something specific. Tall and buxom isn't a particular characteristic of sexually available Asian females. If he was after that, he might call himself an "Pacific Islander-phile". As for old rich white guys, does it surprise you how they spend their free time or their money? The nouveau riche might be a tad vulgar in their approach--but their intention isn't any different. Eventually they all learn the habits of their class. Fortune for the beauty is to marry young before time reveals the lie. Fortune for the family is to marry up before the cast can set around their poverty. And with that we throw our daughters to the wolves.
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Post by Subuatai on Apr 17, 2009 6:58:25 GMT -5
Palaver, no modern anthropologist follow the 18th century classifications of Mongoloid/Caucasiod/Negroid anymore, except of course the uninformed or racialist. The real reasons behind Asiaphilia are these:
1) Asiaphiles, majority of them being white men, are driven by the media. The stereotypes of "Twenty dollar and me love you long time" is something that has carried on for years even after the movie Full Metal Jacket came out. Or the Thai "ping-pong ball" stereotype - forgot which movie that was from though. These stereotypes help White dudes to feel more like a man when dating Asian girls in comparison to White girls. Makes them feel they could be more appreciated as well.
2) South-East-Asian communities including Chinese communities there, south Korea as well as Japan, are post-occupied or post-colonial states. I've also learnt that young Thai women in villages are strongly encouraged to marry foreign men and live in a wealthier country. Most Asians in these states believe the West is a much better place to live, while in the West they mostly consider Asia a sh-thole.
Combine that together, you have a lot of young Asian women hoping to marry a Western man, and a lot of Western men eager to marry with Asian women. Similar case in Russia at the moment unfortunately (Something I'm coping with, which is kinda stupid since my grandparents were already lovers during the USSR period BEFORE the whole Russian bridal thing that started after the Soviet breakup)
Ne ways, in Australia, we call them "Visa whores". Yes it's harsh, but that's just how it is with society. These stereotypes can obviously hurt for EAs born in such circles, even though it is based on alot of truth, you have to admit that.
Hell these stereotypes can even hurt EAs even more when their parents' union IS completely genuine but day to day the social stigma is ever persistent to pin as many labels on them and their family as possible. Hell I even saw a fight in public in Sydney once, because one Asian dude shouted to his 'mate' "You should have been aborted right in that Thai brothel where you were concieved".
Complicated isn't it? What can we do? Nothing we can, just seperate human beings who aren't ignorant from the human trash who are - be selective with your social circles and hopefully you'll minimize exposure to all this prejudice. That's all we can do, let's face it, majority of people prefer to assume and believe what they like, not what is truth.
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Post by Kush on Apr 17, 2009 7:57:38 GMT -5
I know, right? It sucks to hang out with your dad in public and have people think that he's your boyfriend . But unfortunatly there are lots of dirty old white men/desperate young asian women who encourage this racial hierarchy of dating. Its not a pleasant stereotype for the rest of us to deal with but theres enough of it going on that most people would assume that an older white male with a young asian female are in that sort of relationship. Yeah, I hear ya. My Mum and Dad are the same age (52) but my mum dyes her hair so she looks about 35-40 whereas my Dad is greying and wears ultra-thick glasses on occasion so looks about 55-60 To be honest, I think it is only an extreme minority of couples. The vast majority are properly forged. WORD ... ! yey
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Post by Fiona on Apr 17, 2009 10:44:50 GMT -5
This reminds me of my old Malaysian boss who told me that "Thai people were lovely" Because the one time he visited Thailand a man came up to him with a book of photos of available ladies, but didn't hound him for too long when he told him he had a wife. -Charming man.
Also when my mum was visiting Thailand after she just married my dad- she told me quite a few ladies were befriending her in the hopes that she could find them a white husband. I couldn't believe that. I feel so embarrassed. [btw my mum did no such husband hunting for them]
Never heard that one.
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Post by Kush on Apr 17, 2009 11:31:34 GMT -5
Most Asians in these states believe the West is a much better place to live, while in the West they mostly consider Asia a sh-thole. I'd take Tokyo, Shanghai, Seoul or Hong Kong over, say, Hull
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Post by palaver on Apr 17, 2009 11:58:31 GMT -5
Palaver, no modern anthropologist follow the 18th century classifications of Mongoloid/Caucasiod/Negroid anymore, except of course the uninformed or racialist. The real reasons behind Asiaphilia are these: It's almost as if race could disappear over night--like a social construct. But anyway, from the reference population, we know them to mean Asians. Native Americans and Pacific Islanders aren't in the mix. 1) Men go to prostitutes because the image in the media is that they will sleep with anyone for money. Is this a prostitute philia? 2) Families encouraging their daughters to marry foreigners (and hence up) doesn't involve the man's philia, but the family's expectations. That isn't true "Asiaphilia" as these reasons explain behavior in many circumstances not involving Asians. Unless a man is merely exaggerating--which most of the time is the case--he means to distinguish his racial -philia from someone else's racial -philia. I also expect a strong like to be accompanied with a strong dislike--otherwise it loses its particular selection. In the western hemisphere we could interchange the countries and cultures. A military man deploys to Panama and comes home with a pretty Latina. He trades attractiveness for economic status. This is almost universal among men, be they Asiaphiles or Asiaphobes.
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