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Post by betahat on Apr 17, 2009 13:53:24 GMT -5
^In the western hemisphere we could interchange the countries and cultures. A military man deploys to Panama and comes home with a pretty Latina. He trades attractiveness for economic status. This is almost universal among men, be they Asiaphiles or Asiaphobes.
My point exactly. To prove you wrong, we'd have to find more old rich white guys hitting on ugly Asian women. Between a white girl and an Asian girl of the same economic means, age and same attractiveness (assuming we could agree on that) he always goes for the Asian. I think that would qualify as "Asiaphilia."
Part of the deal with mail-order/foreign brides (and in some cases maids) is the massive power imbalance when they come back to your country - if they don't speak the language, have no personal network, and no income, they pretty much have to put up with anything. I'm sure you see something similar even within Asia, with richer Asians from Japan or Singapore or Hong Kong getting wives from poorer countries.
Of course we all recognize that it is presumptuous and unfortunate that people who see older white men with younger Asian women assume the worst, as it is entirely possible to have a relationship based on mutual love and respect.
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Post by Subuatai on Apr 18, 2009 6:59:22 GMT -5
@ Palaver
The previous two reasons I have given explain the circumstances in both worlds, Western and Eastern, it involves both Whites and Asians. If you are talking about Asiaphilia among the younger crowd of today's modern society then you may focus only on the first point I made.
The media can be very strong, it even shapes what is deemed socially acceptable and what is not. Asiaphiles are strongly motivated by stereotypes. To see for yourself how strong it really is, check out the female Asiaphiles and the type of 'men' they prefer.
I actually seen this everywhere amongst mixed-couples when I visited Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore. In fact, there's even local jokes about Westerners not being able to tell a good-looking Asian from an ugly one.
People believe my Russian grandmother married my Dzungar grandfather for all the wrong reasons; Get out of the country or marry rich and live a comfortable life. The facts they ignore however; is that BOTH my grans lived in the USSR, which was communist at that time (DUH), and my grandfather was a soldier.
However, everyone still follow the stereotype. It really shows how stupid and ignorant people in general really are. But yet I'm not going to be a fool and not try to understand why the majority believes in this stereotype.
What can we do really? As the saying goes, majority rules.
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Post by betahat on Apr 18, 2009 14:56:37 GMT -5
^I actually seen this everywhere amongst mixed-couples when I visited Thailand, Malaysia and Singapore. In fact, there's even local jokes about Westerners not being able to tell a good-looking Asian from an ugly one.
LOL. Really? I guess we really do all look the same (to them)
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Post by calikid on Apr 18, 2009 18:42:49 GMT -5
This topic is kinda ironic for me, since most of us acknowledge the White Male Asiaphile and at the same time are an offspring of WM/AF relationship...
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Post by calikid on Apr 18, 2009 18:45:19 GMT -5
^In the western hemisphere we could interchange the countries and cultures. A military man deploys to Panama and comes home with a pretty Latina. He trades attractiveness for economic status. This is almost universal among men, be they Asiaphiles or Asiaphobes. My point exactly. To prove you wrong, we'd have to find more old rich white guys hitting on ugly Asian women. Between a white girl and an Asian girl of the same economic means, age and same attractiveness (assuming we could agree on that) he always goes for the Asian. I think that would qualify as "Asiaphilia." Part of the deal with mail-order/foreign brides (and in some cases maids) is the massive power imbalance when they come back to your country - if they don't speak the language, have no personal network, and no income, they pretty much have to put up with anything. I'm sure you see something similar even within Asia, with richer Asians from Japan or Singapore or Hong Kong getting wives from poorer countries. Of course we all recognize that it is presumptuous and unfortunate that people who see older white men with younger Asian women assume the worst, as it is entirely possible to have a relationship based on mutual love and respect. Agree, it has to do wioth money/power and stereotypes... If Sweden was a backward country, they would be going there to pick up women....
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Post by betahat on Apr 18, 2009 19:36:27 GMT -5
^This topic is kinda ironic for me, since most of us acknowledge the White Male Asiaphile and at the same time are an offspring of WM/AF relationship...
Interestingly both my mother and her sister married Asians (ethnic Chinese and Malay respectively), but they certainly weren't anime fans (the "stereotypical Female Asiaphile").
What they did have was exposure to Asian culture through growing up in part in Singapore, so the "Asian male" was demystified for them. Of course, they both ended up with well-educated, well-traveled Anglophile Asians from respectable families. It seems like a lot of WM/AF relationships are similar, though a few fall into the military stationed abroad category or maybe even the dreaded "mail order bride"-type category. What would be really interesting is to find a AM/WF relationship where the AM was relatively uneducated, not "international" and just younger or good-looking and looking for a ticket out of poverty (or to a Green Card). I'm sure there are "mail-order husbands" somewhere, but they seen to be rare indeed.
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Post by Subuatai on Apr 19, 2009 0:59:41 GMT -5
^ Most of the stereotypical AM/WF relationships with the WF being a stereotypical female asiaphile I only found in Australia or heard of in America. So you and me both are safe betahat My cousin works and travels in Asia - but he's mostly a labourer. Typical meathead too, twice the size of everyone yet half the brain. He seems to encounter quite a lot of female western tourists, but his english is so poor, the last time one went up to him was in a lobby of his hotel and he couldn't understand what she was saying, so he just went 'hmm' 'hmm'. In the end he finally said "I go room" "I sleep", leaving her with a massive shock on her face. Heh, well he never likes Western girls, unless they are 6ft+ to match his height. "Face don't care, but me bad back! Must be tall". Hell his english cracks me up sometimes.
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Post by betahat on Apr 19, 2009 2:47:23 GMT -5
I guess guys are more willing to forgive a complete inability to communicate
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Post by Kush on Apr 19, 2009 10:00:02 GMT -5
^This topic is kinda ironic for me, since most of us acknowledge the White Male Asiaphile and at the same time are an offspring of WM/AF relationship... Eh, it would be ironic if our dads were Asiaphiles - which I don't think is the case for the vast majority of WM/AF EAs. Plus, I'm not on a quest to populate the world with Eurasians I also agree with you about the power & money thing, women in poor parts of Asia often latch onto people from HK or Singapore as well as Europeans in order to escape their situation. Of course, they leave them as soon as they get their travel permit
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Post by catgirl on Apr 26, 2009 17:24:58 GMT -5
I think Asiaphils/Eaphils could be a turnoff! Its just too creepy I think girls like challenges in men, and not men that see you as a Goddess or something like that.
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Post by nemesisgalofdoom on Apr 26, 2009 17:36:19 GMT -5
Asiaphil or whatever-phil is a personal turn-off anyway. I'd feel "substituable". One of the reasons why I married my husband is, that I attract him as a whole person,I dont feel reduced as a race or culture or whatever ... sorry, for being OT
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Post by mck on Apr 26, 2009 18:33:32 GMT -5
The funny thing is that white peoplesee us like "white-philes" who beg for white flesh . Especially attractive asians, attractive asians tend to date more on the white side. But I think it's an "social rise" for an asian guy with a white girl, so I get a sexual reputation because I'm clubbing with the stereotypical "tall blonde bombshells" . In Germany proud preppy asians even trash-talk about asian girls dating white boys ( "Is that byatch worn out???" was the funniest comment from a GIRL). I mean yes, they are obviously white-philes hunting for tall blondes with blue eyes, but I think it's not as "nasty" than white girl with black guy, but I don't go there . So I don't have a problem with Asiaphiles, I mean as long as they treat their girlf/wife good, love her and be a good husband to her, where is the problem? I'm always thinking about getting a laser skin bleach, eye enlargement, check bones etc... so I might be an german-phile .
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Post by nemesisgalofdoom on Apr 26, 2009 19:30:07 GMT -5
no need of skin bleech - i think u look cute as u are. living in Germany, u should know that girl are much into type like u or not ...
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Post by Subuatai on Apr 27, 2009 0:35:33 GMT -5
Fetishes p*ss me off because it breeds stereotypes like what you mentioned mck.
There was an Irish fella with a Thai wife who was always accused of being 'unable to get with own race' 'using money and material wealth to seduce naive young thai girls' 'asiaphile etc' - btw, the guy lives in Thailand with his wife and children!
Now I'm an Asian-looking EA with a Western-looking EA with blonde hair as a wife. As a result I get pinned with the same ignorant nonsense as other "AM/blonde WF" relationships that I'm "white-washed", "whiteophile", "blonde stealer", "assimilated", "brainwashed by media" etc.
The general public must have their reasons why they believe these stereotypes, so I can't say I like all this racephilia going around as it gives genuine relationships a bad name.
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Post by mck on Apr 27, 2009 0:42:24 GMT -5
Yes, because they think I'm latino. But I don't want to be seen as latino, I prefer to be seen as full asian. I'm honest, japanese people are educated and with good manners so I prefer to be seen as that . I think white skin is elegant and beautiful, but I think a lot of Asians share that opinion with me. I never understoond german people who went under the sunbank or tan the whole summer . I always try to avoid the sun and I use a high SPF, but I still get a tan.
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