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Post by Pushnpull on Oct 1, 2010 12:36:07 GMT -5
Where are they at? I am the FIRST filipino person(and half at that!) my boyfriend ever met. He went to an Ivy league university. He met a ton of Koreans, Chinese, Japanese...a sprinkling of Vietnamese...but no Filipinos. Aside from the Ivy league, I am now working at a private university in chicago. U of C. Again...alot of Koreans, Chinese..etc.. I met a handful of Filipinos. I know there are lots of Filipinos at the public university... but private... Filipinos are the 2nd largest asian group and our representation in the Ivy league and private universities is small. Thoughts? I mean, I can throw a stone at someone here at this university and hit a Chinese person. A filipino? Well my friend is here at the university hospital working as a nurse with her community college nursing degree. We may be the only two flips on campus. Or 1 and 1/2.... I might be exaggerating a bit, but it sure seems that way. It just scares me ahow I am meeting these uber educated individuals...people who know alot more than the average white Joe or Jane on the street. Phd's! Yet their hoity toity asian studies class doesn't even mention the phillippines! I know this because my boyfriend told me his class back when he was an undergrad only discussed Japan, China and Korea. He knew nothing about the Philippines. A Phd. So why aren't Filipino- Americans going to places like U of Penn or Dartmouth in numbers like the Korean- Americans( I mean...we outnumber them for godsakes!) Or private universities like U of chicago?
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Post by hypeforlife91 on Oct 1, 2010 18:27:20 GMT -5
Well, when people think of "Asia" what countries sprout up in most peoples' minds without even thinking?
I think your case is better compared to my sister's. She is like the only person with any "asian" in the whole school.
But Chicago does have less Asians in general compared to Californian cities of course.
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Post by milkman's baby on Oct 1, 2010 18:57:50 GMT -5
Does your school have any Filipino students associations? Maybe you should approach the Asian student organizations and request some statistics or research on this. As for the Chinese, I would expect them in any university on either of the coasts. They are the one Asian group that has been in the USA the longest. They are the most prevalent and so that explains their presence. The Koreans and Japanese are famous (or perhaps infamous) for their hardcore education/academia driven cultures. Whether they are foreign students directly from SK or Japan or second gen Americans, I'm sure many of these students you're seeing had parents who emphasized education success. I am not saying that Filipino culture is dumb or lazy, but I think southeastern Asian cultures might not emphasize academic credentials as much or as hard core. Part of the reason why so many Koreans and Japanese come here to study is because there is overcrowding in their cities at home, providing even the very bright with cut throat competition. I don't know if the Philippines has an overcrowding issue. As for Asian studies, well yes I would expect that they would only focus on China, Japan, and Korea. I am currently in a 100-level East Asian civilization course and it focuses only on those three with a little history on Vietnam. Once again, I'm not trying to allude that Southeast Asians are inferior, but you can sorta try and compare this to Europe. In the US, we study northwestern Europe most of the time, occasionally the Mediterranean. Hardly anything on East Europe or the Balkans. The history of all of Asia is especially reliant on China, which makes China an essential part of Asian studies. And I guess Korea and Japan are next in line since they were influenced by China the most. The Philippines does indeed have important history, much of which ties to US interests, but it's difficult to study in some ways because a lot of their history deals with Spanish and possibly Polynesian history. Also - this'll sound silly - but are you just going off the faces you see on campus or have you actually seen hard figures? Maybe you're mistaking a lot of Filipinos for Hispanics or even other Asian groups? Or maybe the Filipino students are lying about their heritage.
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Post by milkman's baby on Oct 1, 2010 19:01:57 GMT -5
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Post by toyomansi on Oct 2, 2010 5:21:57 GMT -5
I don't know about Filipino-Americans, but my impression of people in the Philippines is that people go to college and get their degrees (nurse, doctor, teacher etc.) to be able to work and earn money as soon as possible. I don't think many are that interested in studying for a longer time and achieving phd's, since work comes first (college/university in the Phils even starts as early at age 16 till age 19. So they can already start working at the age of 19). I don't know if the Philippines has an overcrowding issue. Yes, they have ;D That is why there are soo many overseas workers all over the world now hehe...
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Post by milkman's baby on Oct 2, 2010 11:03:33 GMT -5
I don't know about Filipino-Americans, but my impression of people in the Philippines is that people go to college and get their degrees (nurse, doctor, teacher etc.) to be able to work and earn money as soon as possible. I don't think many are that interested in studying for a longer time and achieving phd's, since work comes first (college/university in the Phils even starts as early at age 16 till age 19. So they can already start working at the age of 19). Yeah, that's how most cultures are. The Koreans and Japanese are just different. Maybe it's because they have more of a Confucian work ethic, while the Filipinos were influenced by different cultures such as Spanish. If I had to blind guess, I would say many of the successful Filipinos that do really emphasize education might have been influenced by the Chinese population? I mean, the Chinese have been in the Philippines for a long time.
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Post by thea on Oct 2, 2010 17:30:21 GMT -5
Hi, Pushinpull regarding Filipinos in the Ivy League... I'm not sure regarding those universities. There might be Filipinos there but maybe half-Filipinos with Western surnames. Over here in the West Coast and Hawaii there are alot of Filipinos in both public and private universities. I took Asian-American studies years ago and read Ronald (not sure of the first name) Takaki's textbook about Asian immigration, settlement patterns and laws both negative or beneficial to each succeeding Asian group. Filipinos were part of the groups studied. There is currently a Filipino exhibit at the San Francisco main public library about Filipinos in America. It is called Sinalog (the ties that bind.) (I know I'm digressing a bit), but on the 3rd floor there is also part of the same exhibit but with a different theme with political cartoons from 1898-early 1900s about the acquisition of the Philippines by the U.S. after the Spanish -American war. There are even old pictures of Filipinos who were in San Francisco back in the 20s, 30s etc. Anyhow, there probably more Filipinos in the West Coast than in the East Coast. Philippine born Filipinos outnumber 1st and 2nd generation Filipino-Americans. As to attending Ivy League schools, have you ever looked up a chart with the break down of students based of ethnicity/race native or foreign born? An African-American student based in Harvard University did a study of black student students attending Harvard and other Ivy League schools. The results were predominantly foreign born African students, or children of African immigrants, children of interracial parents (not sure if the black and white parents were both U.S. born or one or both parents were born abroad,) outnumbered the native born African-American students. At USF (University of San Francisco, its Catholic Jesuit school)there is a showing of religious treasures from the Philippines, Macau, China and other Asian countries in the its library. The theme is how the Asian countries adapted Catholicism to each countries particular local culture.
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Post by betahat on Oct 2, 2010 20:55:22 GMT -5
I think it's fairly simple. Japan and South Korea (throw in Singapore, Hong Kong and Taiwan if you want) are the richest countries in Asia. The average South Korean is 6 times richer than the average phillipino.
The people who come to America bring their human capital with them. People in richer countries have more education and human capital. This has always been true. Some people would be shocked to learn how poor Eastern European Jews scored very poorly on IQ tests when they first came to America. The Germans, Dutch, French, and British migrants all thrived initially while Italians and Eastern Europeans were poor and lagged in educational attainment. The richer European countries supplied the better educated migrants.
Education is transmitted both directly (through learning at home and genes) and indirectly (through role model effects, parental expectations, support and pressure) inter-generationally. The initial differences in education persisted for the most part - some groups caught up or even did better and others close the gap but for the most part the initial rankings across immigrant groups in terms of education and socioeconomic outcomes have changed much.
So the same thing must be true of Asian immigrants. The success of Korean and Japanese and diasporic (Taiwan/HK/Singapre/SE Asian) Chinese is thus understandable. The first generation that migrated may not have been wealthy, but I would wager that they were significantly more educated than the first generation of Phillipinos.
The Chinese case is a bit trickier because China is still a poor country, though the elite in China (who make up a lot of the immigrants to the US and Canada) were always quite educated because of the imperial system. But there are just so many Chinese it would be surprising if they didn't have a large presence anywhere. Living in California I've become more aware that not all Chinese are a rich model minority - the guy who empties the garbage at my department, the women waiting tables in Japanese restaurants, the people working in the kitchen at any Asian restaurant (including most of the Thai, Viet, etc. ones) are Chinese.
So it's probably fair to say that "culture of education" matters but I wanted to stress the commonalities with other non-Asian immigrant groups and suggest that countries that are generally poorer and less educated are more likely to have immigrant groups that are poorer and less educated, though if there is wealthy elite in the country then they doubtless supply at least some people to the elite universities.
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Post by toyomansi on Oct 3, 2010 7:03:06 GMT -5
Yeah, that's how most cultures are. The Koreans and Japanese are just different. Maybe it's because they have more of a Confucian work ethic, while the Filipinos were influenced by different cultures such as Spanish. If I had to blind guess, I would say many of the successful Filipinos that do really emphasize education might have been influenced by the Chinese population? I mean, the Chinese have been in the Philippines for a long time. Yeah, maybe One of my Filipino cousins once told me that a Filipino father will tell his son to get an education so that he will be able to get a job, while a Chinese father (in the Phils) will tell his son to get an education so that he can start his own business. I think he is fed up with the Filipino "aim low, earn enough to survive" mentality he was raised with, and dreams of starting his own business and becoming successful (he himself has a good business education, while my cousins from my other uncle are unemployed school dropouts). I think most of the Chinese population in the Phils are businesspeople, wealthier than the average Filipino.
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Post by Pushnpull on Oct 3, 2010 7:34:27 GMT -5
Hi, Pushinpull regarding Filipinos in the Ivy League... I'm not sure regarding those universities. There might be Filipinos there but maybe half-Filipinos with Western surnames. Over here in the West Coast and Hawaii there are alot of Filipinos in both public and private universities. I took Asian-American studies years ago and read Ronald (not sure of the first name) Takaki's textbook about Asian immigration, settlement patterns and laws both negative or beneficial to each succeeding Asian group. Filipinos were part of the groups studied. There is currently a Filipino exhibit at the San Francisco main public library about Filipinos in America. It is called Sinalog (the ties that bind.) (I know I'm digressing a bit), but on the 3rd floor there is also part of the same exhibit but with a different theme with political cartoons from 1898-early 1900s about the acquisition of the Philippines by the U.S. after the Spanish -American war. There are even old pictures of Filipinos who were in San Francisco back in the 20s, 30s etc. Anyhow, there probably more Filipinos in the West Coast than in the East Coast. Philippine born Filipinos outnumber 1st and 2nd generation Filipino-Americans. As to attending Ivy League schools, have you ever looked up a chart with the break down of students based of ethnicity/race native or foreign born? An African-American student based in Harvard University did a study of black student students attending Harvard and other Ivy League schools. The results were predominantly foreign born African students, or children of African immigrants, children of interracial parents (not sure if the black and white parents were both U.S. born or one or both parents were born abroad,) outnumbered the native born African-American students. At USF (University of San Francisco, its Catholic Jesuit school)there is a showing of religious treasures from the Philippines, Macau, China and other Asian countries in the its library. The theme is how the Asian countries adapted Catholicism to each countries particular local culture. Oh, I am sure there are halfers...I've met a few half korean-caucasian and half chinese caucasian students here as well...they still outnumber the half filipinos I am sure.. What I am talking about are seeing groups of Koreans/chinese and none of my filipinos!!! Where are you? Even my phd boyfriend who did his undergrad at University of pennsylvania(it's an ivy league in Philadelphia not to be confused with penn state!) in biology, his phd at Rockefeller University in New York City, and now his postdoc @ U of C...in Chicago... I am the only Filipina he has ever met! And only half! Well he said he met one other girl while getting his doctorate but she was a secretary for the school, not one of the students. In his whole scientific education...(and he wasn't going to podunk hick towns) he met alot of asian people. No filipinos at all. None studying to be scientists. None in any of the labs he has worked in. Alot of Indians, Chinese and koreans... a Vietnamese here or there.. No filipinos. And yes Thea...since I am overly aware of things...alot of the black students I have met on campus... are actually from Africa, sadly not from the surrounding African American community. I guess the African Americans are going to the public university or community college with the filipinos. I have to say...when I went to community college there were a ton of filipinos. And yes I met a lot of half filipino/white students too. Met a lot of half flips/polish mixes(chicago has a lot of polish people!) Nothing wrong with community college...but it would be nice to see more filipinos on a campus that produce a high number of nobel prize winners.
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Post by milkman's baby on Oct 3, 2010 16:39:06 GMT -5
Nothing wrong with community college...but it would be nice to see more filipinos on a campus that produce a high number of nobel prize winners. I'm sure there will be a surge eventually. The Filipino-American population is growing and higher population usually means an expansion into different socioeconomic groups. One last thing, I know the Ivy Leagues attract students from all over the country but isn't it true that a large amount of the student body is from the East Coast? Plain and simple, Filipinos tend to congregate on the West Coast. But so do other Asians, I know. You'd probably find way more at Stanford or Berkeley.
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Post by betahat on Oct 3, 2010 18:56:55 GMT -5
Interestingly Filipinos used to be covered under the affirmative action until 1989 but are no longer, which led to a decrease in the share of Filipino students at UC Berkeley during the period when other minorities (including other Asians) increased their share of the student body. I found an article discussing this below: www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~pass/concern.htmlIn 2007 they were counted separately in the breakdown of the student body, apart from Asian Pacific Americans (though last time I checked Filipinos are both Asian and substantially more pacific than Indians or Pakistanis). The data I could find (http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=366330879b5c641ffb97a5b5370e7cd5): 41.6 percent are Asian Pacific Americans, slightly lower than last year's 42.9 percent. The Asian Pacific American student population includes Chinese, Indian, Pakistani, Japanese, Korean, Pacific Islanders and Vietnamese students but does not include Filipino students. Among them Chinese-American students make up the largest portion of the Asian Pacific American student population with 23.5 percent. The university's freshman class also includes 29.7 percent white, 11.7 percent Latino, 3.9 percent Filipino, 3.1 percent African American and 0.5 percent American Indian. Would you consider 3.9% to be over or under-represented? I'm going to guess that there are a lot less Filipinos at Stanford, and not just because the share of Asians is much lower at 23%. But Sweetfart is probably right that there are more than at the East-Coast Ivy-league schools.
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Post by milkman's baby on Oct 3, 2010 19:40:33 GMT -5
Considering Filipinos and Asians are still a small minority in the USA (despite being the second largest of the Asian groups), no it is not an under-representation. Rather, these Koreans and Japanese are an overrepresentation. Which is exactly why they are often made public enemy no.1 in the eyes of affirmative action proponents. I'd almost call them the new Jews except it's hardly new bc this has been the situation for quite some time now. I'm starting to think the paradigm is shifting now to south and west Asians like Indians, Pakistanis, etc. East Asians are starting to be accepted as an old group here in the states.
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