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Post by cm on Sept 28, 2007 12:12:36 GMT -5
Survival of the fittest? Hey, that sounds like industrial England with child labor and innoncent families including kids being put in jail for being in debt.
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Post by cm on Sept 28, 2007 18:54:34 GMT -5
i ve gone further left too...and i m not surprised at all actually. i do think my ideals are "socialist" ideals even if i despise socialist politicians the most. it s funny how i feel more like someone from the right wing in europe but from the left wing here... i was rather upset but someone here made a joke about me being a "darn commie" after i stated my views on a few things. i still think i m more of a right wing-ist in some parts of the world (according to what they d consider "right wing" there), but i definitely am not here. 2 months here were enough to convince me of certain things and i think people in france are very lucky to be this open minded... compared to here, racism is minimal there. at least from what i m experiencing...maybe i just met the wrong people these past few weeks and listened to the wrong radio shows... Americans see Commie and Socialists as the same. I don't take it to offense. FDR was seen as a commie when he put in programs that gave elderly income. That gave poor people health care and money to survive on. Americans bitch and moan about people spending welfare checks on mouthwash, yet never complain when the government signs huge wasteful projects with construction companies to build useless dams that benefit a few dairy farms that pollute a whole valley. In America, there is hostility to blacks and poor people. But corporate welfare is acceptable. In reality, many of the right wing radio stations you have listened to are borderline facist. A welfare state that supresses weak people while throwing money at the corporations.
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Post by swordcane on Sept 28, 2007 19:33:36 GMT -5
I agree with xandra about the wording of the questions. I wish there was an "Undecided/No Opinion" option (which wouldn't affect your outcome) rather than having to put agree/disagree. Mine: Economic Left/Right: -7.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.41
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Post by cm on Sept 29, 2007 10:32:56 GMT -5
Americans see Commie and Socialists as the same. I don't take it to offense.FDR was seen as a commie when he put in programs that gave elderly income. That gave poor people health care and money to survive on. Americans bitch and moan about people spending welfare checks on mouthwash, yet never complain when the government signs huge wasteful projects with construction companies to build useless dams that benefit a few dairy farms that pollute a whole valley. In America, there is hostility to blacks and poor people. But corporate welfare is acceptable. In reality, many of the right wing radio stations you have listened to are borderline facist. A welfare state that supresses weak people while throwing money at the corporations. ah ! thanks for enlightening me ! yeah...i kind of figured any socialist was considered a communist here...i mean...i m not even a "socialist" ! i just think that healthcare and education should be available to everyone and class distinction should NOT matter when it comes to both ! is that really socialist? it s just human to think such basic things should be available no matter the person s income ! i m just being sympathetic and human dammit ! don t call me a "darn commie!" as for the radio shows...i did figure they were borderline fascists too...thanks for confirming though...i was a little worried to be honest especially when it seemed so natural for words such as "nigger" (!!!!) and "gooks" to be spoken so freely on the show....and followed by other xenophobic phrasing including the words "foreigners" "leave" "if can t afford" "die" ... Yeah, if you think health and education should be super available to everyone, you are a socialist in the US. I lean towards socialist policies in terms of internal affairs. Americans get fed a lot of propaganda that all their tax dollars are going to welfare programs, which is total nonsense. Billions of dollars go to farms subsidies...especially to corporate farms. Other billions go to the health insurance companies so they can 'lower their premium', which they never do. Billions more go to drug companies to give AIDS drugs to Africa, in which many have been charged of making bulls*** drugs. Yet the minute Americans see a poor black family with a welfare check, is the minute Americans whine about government spending and socialism. A lot of the anti-socialism and anti-communism stems back from the legitimate fears of the cold war. That any minute, a global nuclear war can spark out of nowhere with Soviet missles annihilating US cities. That's why Socialist! is an insult in the US. Most radio shows don't use that language, but I'm not surprised they do where you are now. To be honest, at least those shows are honest about how they feel about minorities. In big cities, the shows are more subtle about their racism. Michael Savage is one of the biggest radio biggots. He's a jew from san francisco who lashes out his racial anger because UC berkeley hired a 'less qualified' black professor or woman professor over him. His term for feminists is feminazis
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Post by Freecia on Sept 29, 2007 12:05:53 GMT -5
^ Agreed. Michael Savage is a total egotistic joke. Your political compass Economic Left/Right: -0.75 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.97 I am pretty much right smack in the middle. I can't believe I'm this neutral, this can't be right.
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Post by cjsdad on Oct 1, 2007 8:36:41 GMT -5
Survival of the fittest? Hey, that sounds like industrial England with child labor and innoncent families including kids being put in jail for being in debt. ;D Ok, but Stalinism FTW? Perhaps you mean FTWorldrecordingenocide. Pick your poison. I'll take NO government over your government.
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Post by cm on Oct 2, 2007 0:36:56 GMT -5
Notice I'm only slightly an authoritarian, mostly because of moral values I hold.
I'll pick my poison. US government right now. A mixture of facism, communism, socialism, oligarchy all in one.
I like the fact that for the most part old people aren't rotting on the streets till their deaths in the US and poor children are still able to get fat. That's one good thing about the US. It's also nice that there is incentive to get rich.
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Post by cjsdad on Oct 2, 2007 8:33:49 GMT -5
Can't argue with most of that. You know life aint that bad if your poor are fat.
Everybody knows a mix of socialism and capitalism is best. The arguements come in when the AMOUNT of the mixture is debated.
I'm simply unhappy with the TREND in this country. The sacrifice of personal liberty and responsibility in favor of big brother gov't "taking care of me". Piss on them. I can take care of myself! Take your patriot act GWB and cram it up your a$$.
Just one example. And always remember....once government is created...it NEVER, EVER goes away.
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Post by xandra on Oct 2, 2007 16:06:54 GMT -5
Can't argue with most of that. You know life aint that bad if your poor are fat. they may be fat, but they're probably malnourished as well. there's little to no nutritional value in much of the food they're eating, can afford to eat, and have time to eat.
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Post by cm on Oct 2, 2007 18:58:49 GMT -5
Can't argue with most of that. You know life aint that bad if your poor are fat. Everybody knows a mix of socialism and capitalism is best. The arguements come in when the AMOUNT of the mixture is debated. I'm simply unhappy with the TREND in this country. The sacrifice of personal liberty and responsibility in favor of big brother gov't "taking care of me". Piss on them. I can take care of myself! Take your patriot act GWB and cram it up your a$$. Just one example. And always remember....once government is created...it NEVER, EVER goes away. I'm not against a little bit of government "surveillence". It's no secret that the CIA does some stuff that doesn't agree with the constitution. I don't understand the whining about cameras on the street. Government is needed. Mexicans run to our more authoritarian government out of the anarchy of Mexico where drug lords run entire cities. I also think we as a country are corrupted into pointing fingers at the poor people. The money and assistence they receive is nothing compared to the pork barelling corporations receive. As I said earlier: People complain about somebody using food stamps on mouth wash but will never complain when we spend money on 100 dollar scews on construction projects or billion dollar water projects that benefit a couple of alfalfa corporate farms. The sooner Americans see the true enemy is corporate lobbies as the enemy as opposed to poor people who need the money, the better off we'll be.
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Post by cjsdad on Oct 3, 2007 11:22:44 GMT -5
@xandra...malnourished>>>starving. Time to eat? Don't understand. "Soup kitchens" like the one my stepdad and I volunteer at with PADS provide balanced nutrition to all comers. I might add I remember reading a rather uninformed post by some member here poo-pooing people that purchase longer shelf-life food whilst bypassing perfectly good but soon to expire food. Hello?! That's how food depositories WORK. That food is how we feed people that can't pay for it. Whatever, an arguement for another time. I see your point, but McDonalds doesn't give it away. It's a choice. @cjf Hmmmm. Clearly you and I don't see eye to eye on all the issues, but we can agree that the "enemy" is not the poor. The enemy in MY mind is special interest groups. And these days, special interest groups=our government. The sooner we realize that we need to TAKE BACK our government and make it work for US, not special interests, the sooner we will have a better place to live. As long as the (D) and the (R) are the only choices, and as long as they keep us fighting amongst ourselves over RHETORIC and not actual government ACTION, we will continue to remain a "nation divided".....divided over what amounts to no practical difference in candidate choice. This website is wacky, but the political indices are interesting. Take the time to actually change low/moderate/high ranking and see which candidate most closely mirrors your feelings. Also, take the time to study the issues. My candidate was Ron Paul. By a WIDE margin. www.vajoe.com/candidate_calculator.html
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Post by halfbreed on Oct 22, 2007 5:09:27 GMT -5
Economic Left/Right: -3.62 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.38
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Post by cm on Oct 24, 2007 22:51:32 GMT -5
@cjf Hmmmm. Clearly you and I don't see eye to eye on all the issues, but we can agree that the "enemy" is not the poor. The enemy in MY mind is special interest groups. And these days, special interest groups=our government. The sooner we realize that we need to TAKE BACK our government and make it work for US, not special interests, the sooner we will have a better place to live. As long as the (D) and the (R) are the only choices, and as long as they keep us fighting amongst ourselves over RHETORIC and not actual government ACTION, we will continue to remain a "nation divided".....divided over what amounts to no practical difference in candidate choice. This website is wacky, but the political indices are interesting. Take the time to actually change low/moderate/high ranking and see which candidate most closely mirrors your feelings. Also, take the time to study the issues. My candidate was Ron Paul. By a WIDE margin. www.vajoe.com/candidate_calculator.htmlRon Paul makes the most sense out there. But this country has an addiction to abusive spouses called D's and R's. D's and R's keep abusing us with taxes and wars, yet they keep telling us they love us. So we keep coming back.
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Post by truthpolitics on Oct 28, 2007 17:54:21 GMT -5
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Post by dannyd on Oct 28, 2007 18:23:15 GMT -5
I don't think that quiz is anywhere near involved enough.
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