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Post by Freecia on Apr 11, 2007 18:31:24 GMT -5
^ do you mean afterI beat the sh*t out of my kids? If my kids do porn I've failed as a parent. Period. Yup you've said it.
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Post by xandra on Apr 11, 2007 22:37:46 GMT -5
Are prostitutes that bad? Many women who aren't "prostitutes" only sleep with men who give them all these gifts and nice cars etc. What makes those women better than prostitutes? We know a lot of women and some men are just out there to snag a partner with money. Can we say prostitutes are more honorable in the fact that they are honest up front that it will take money to sleep with them? You seem to have a very skewed view of women. Lots of women also go to school so they can make their own money and buy their own cars, etc. A friend of mine recently took her bf to Jamaica for their anniversary since she works full time and he's still a student. I guess that makes him basically a prostitute, huh?
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Post by chinesejewfool on Apr 11, 2007 23:06:41 GMT -5
I do? I don't recall labeling all women that way. In fact I put the word "many" in to make sure some of you gals didn't get upset. I even said some men. It's a well known fact that there are large amounts of women that search for partners with money. Just because your social circle doesn't think that way doesn't mean they don't exist, but lets save that for another thread And I'll leave it in the words of my man Kanye West who put it best: "I ain't sayin' she's a gold digga, but she ain't hangin with no broke nigguh" And would she still be with him if he was a waiter in a small restaurant instead of a student who will graduate and eventually work as a professional?
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Post by xandra on Apr 12, 2007 0:18:45 GMT -5
Any time I've read your posts about women it's either talking about how you're going to make money so you can get a hot gf or talking about women who will only go for men with money. It just doesn't seem like you have a lot of respect for women, imo. Why such a focus on gold diggers?
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Post by daisypukes on Apr 12, 2007 1:17:08 GMT -5
Yeah, you do seem to have some animosity towards women, CJF. Not everything all women do has some ulterior motive to it. Sure there are gold diggers out there, and plenty of them are probably women, but I would be careful in saying that they are a large enough problem to make a big note of. Anyway, if you want to get down to the basics, really dissect s*** til it doesn't make any sense anymore: then everything is prostitution and we're all just a bunch of whores. Think about it...people exchange sex for things all the time. Sex for love, sex for stability, sex for emotional closeness, sex for hope. (A lot of) people tend to reserve having sex for when they feel they are going to get something in return, something they feel an emotional need for. They say that they want it to "mean something." That they don't want to "waste it"...which has a certain connotation to it (at least in my head) that it is currency. It sounds almost like they don't want to give an item away for free when they could hold out and get a decent cheque for it. Or maybe I'm just being too jaded.
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Post by Freecia on Apr 12, 2007 10:43:27 GMT -5
I think CJF meant all those comments as joke, only they're not exactly funny when we've read it one too many times in his posts. Then it turns into something more serious and we can't help but wonder if he was actually joking, or if he meant it.
Just like if I started making comments like "almost all men are dogs and 2 year olds" and tried to justify my views in a lot of my posts, after a while it'd grind the guys' gears regardless what the truth really is.
My mom and sister often use this technique as well. They'd often criticize me on doing something, as a joke....but not really. It's more like semi joking but actually serious kind of comment. It used to bug the heck outta me REGARDLESS if the their comment is true or not.
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Post by Jaded Lady on Apr 12, 2007 11:19:38 GMT -5
Maybe the more PC way of saying it would be "SOME women" not "MANY women." I mean even that's a big generalization and what's wrong with a woman making earnings one of the characteristics that she values in men? What's the difference between that and men for whom breast size is a measure of a woman?
But back on the topic, why does it even matter of kids were to chose this industry over another. I can say this because I don't have kids, and I would sooner die than accept a life with a kid included (at the very least this is true for the time being).
At the end of the day it's their life - they can do whatever they want with it as long as they don't come running to parents to bail them out for the rest of their lives. It's a value judgement people are making when they say that this industry somehow makes you less of a person. And it sounds like a lot of you are implying that your hypothetical children would be less of a person in your eyes if they went in the adult entertainment industry. Fine, this is a principle you hold those hypothetical kids to. But I'm betting that this will seems better than having your kids be full-time members of gangs, or become professional robbers/cons, whatever. Although clearly the fact that sex is involved probably makes this seem better in your eyes?
Whatever they choose to do for a living, that's their choice. As long as they have good character (honesty, integrity, compassion, etc.) I don't see how working in this industry would make them any less of a person. <-- LMAO wow, I can't believe I just wrote that...such bull...
It's an industry and there's money to be made - people are going to flock to it. There's demand for it. If you think it's so bad for your hypothetical kids to get into that industry, stop watching porn (mags) and/or get others to stop!
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Post by halfbreed on Apr 13, 2007 2:17:29 GMT -5
If my kid was a porn star, I just wouldn't ask 'so, how's work?'.
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Post by halfbreed on Apr 13, 2007 2:43:34 GMT -5
^ Exactly. No parent wants to hear that. 'No, I would not like to check out your latest project!' ;D edit: okay, who deleted their post? I wasn't talking to myself.. I swear!!
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Post by juancarlos on Apr 13, 2007 6:01:21 GMT -5
I see plenty of prostitues though! But uhh.. They're usually in desperate situations. This isn't politically correct but you should also know that prostitutes peddle lies like no other. You'll hear sob stories from all of them. But do some diligence (ie. meet their family or their friends, or their families) and you'll find out that most are from low-income (but not destitute families) and that they're in the profession by choice, they are pretty normal girls (have crushes, celebrity idols etc) but make a crapload of money and live like queens in their hometowns. Same goes with maids (overseas contract workers). Talk to them. Eat with them. Go on outings with them. The first few times, you'll hear nothing but sob stories. But when you swing by their address in the philippines (or whereever) they've got a friggin mansion they're building. Having worked the past 10+ years in LDCs/third world, I gotta say that poor people are just as shrewd, conniving and duplicitous as rich people. Don't for a second dole out sympathy or judgement on the basis of a seemingly ignoble profession. sorry to get off topic Rob, I think that's an unfair statement. Have you ever considered that some, if not majority, of these prostitutes are in fact slaves to their pimps or their illegal traffickers? Young girls are taken out of their villages to work in the cities or even abroad. With regard to the Filipino overseas maids, most of their remittances are spent to fund their children's educations and supply the basic necesities of life. If they're building "mansions", which standard are you talking about? Yes, it's probably a "mansion" compared to their neighbor's one-room hut in the "Smokey Mountains"? The ones who build real mansions in the Philippines do NOT get their building money from foreign remittances of their family members. Back to the topic, I wouldn't know how to react if my kids choose that profession. Well, another reason NOT to have kids for me. Juan Carlos
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Post by ladystacey on Apr 13, 2007 11:13:23 GMT -5
I hope I encouraged my child to strive more out of life and not just settle. I think I would fail as a parent if my child thought being a porn star or nude model was o.k for a career. I would be very disappointed in myself as a parent and in my child but if there was nothing I could do about it I rather accept it and try to live with it then resent his/hers choice for the rest of our lives. I want him/her to do the best in whatever it is they choose so if it's porn then he/she better be the dam best porn star ever in history ..... J/K
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Post by jewbird on Apr 17, 2007 3:12:17 GMT -5
Just like if I started making comments like "almost all men are dogs and 2 year olds" and tried to justify my views in a lot of my posts, after a while it'd grind the guys' gears regardless what the truth really is. My ex used to accuse me of being a child. I think she did it as a power game. For all I know it's true of all men. You're either naive (a child) or you're a dog who learns to play the game. As to the female prostitution issue, CJF is probably right. Hot girls where he's from probably do want to trade on their looks to move on up to better digs. It's only when you reach a certain level of solid middle-class respectability that it's no longer true and it's possible to move up or down that that presents an issue. When you get really high up, I think girls will do porn star things for free because they want to and things just don't have consequence in the surreal alternate reality they inhabit. I have a theory that when you get to the highest or lowest possible social level, lifestyles tend to merge. The guy laying naked in a hammock on some South Pacific island somewhere is either a native tribesman with no concept of toilet paper or a retired Goldman executive.
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Post by rob on Apr 21, 2007 4:48:11 GMT -5
I have a theory that when you get to the highest or lowest possible social level, lifestyles tend to merge. The guy laying naked in a hammock on some South Pacific island somewhere is either a native tribesman with no concept of toilet paper or a retired Goldman executive. Well, if your native tribesman happens to live in the Hamptons (with a weekday pad on the upper eastside), commands an Azimut62S motoryacht and flies his family to spend x-mas at Deer Valley, then your theory might be on the money Sam.
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Post by 2bob on Dec 23, 2007 2:29:00 GMT -5
if my kid became a porn star id cestroy all of the movies that they'd made and then i would go over to everyones house and block all of the websites taht they r on and then i would shout their porno ass self into next week
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Post by halfbreed on Dec 23, 2007 7:05:05 GMT -5
^ Gee, I'm glad I'm not your kid.
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