At what age did you move out/support youself?

[ausitalapino]

remyisacat said:

^ Oh man, if I had to stay with my parents until I was married I would just shave my head and buy a hundred cats right now. It would be like a 8x10 feline monastery in my room.

lol, you make it sound like its the end of the world. It wouldn't be as bad as you would think, its not like you have to ask your parents to go out on a Sat night.
I don't know, maybe its just the conservative catholic background i have (on both sides) which is standard in families of similar backgrounds.
I actually couldn't imagine marrying a woman, who's lived away from home for a long time - thats how uncommon it is for similar background individuals.

[lo1337a]

ausitalapino said:

remyisacat said:

^ Oh man, if I had to stay with my parents until I was married I would just shave my head and buy a hundred cats right now. It would be like a 8x10 feline monastery in my room.

lol, you make it sound like its the end of the world. It wouldn't be as bad as you would think, its not like you have to ask your parents to go out on a Sat night.
I don't know, maybe its just the conservative catholic background i have (on both sides) which is standard in families of similar backgrounds.
I actually couldn't imagine marrying a woman, who's lived away from home for a long time - thats how uncommon it is for similar background individuals.

Oh, it's not that it would be awful, it's just that I have a lot of privacy issues and my parents are a major trigger for my adjustment disorder. I always notice I become more withdrawn when I'm home. I get less work done and I'm a lot less creative and spend mosrt of my time avoiding them. I like to keep my social life separate from them so I feel intruded upon when I'm probably not.

And it's not like I can bring guys home, so there's further suffering of social life. I'd rather bring a guy back to my cardboard box than back to my parents house-- I mean, woooo! We can chill in my bunk bed while my mom makes us cocoa...yay . It's really just embarassing. I'm used to having my own space so it's weird to me to not have a place where I can lock the door. Mentally I assocaite my parents with having really nosy roommates.

[ausitalapino]

remyisacat said:

ausitalapino said:

lol, you make it sound like its the end of the world. It wouldn't be as bad as you would think, its not like you have to ask your parents to go out on a Sat night.
I don't know, maybe its just the conservative catholic background i have (on both sides) which is standard in families of similar backgrounds.
I actually couldn't imagine marrying a woman, who's lived away from home for a long time - thats how uncommon it is for similar background individuals.

Oh, it's not that it would be awful, it's just that I have a lot of privacy issues and my parents are a major trigger for my adjustment disorder. I always notice I become more withdrawn when I'm home. I get less work done and I'm a lot less creative and spend mosrt of my time avoiding them. I like to keep my social life separate from them so I feel intruded upon when I'm probably not.

And it's not like I can bring guys home, so there's further suffering of social life. I'd rather bring a guy back to my cardboard box than back to my parents house-- I mean, woooo! We can chill in my bunk bed while my mom makes us cocoa...yay . It's really just embarassing. I'm used to having my own space so it's weird to me to not have a place where I can lock the door. Mentally I assocaite my parents with having really nosy roommates.

I think it may just be a cultural difference, i know most people who share a similar background to me, you will find a similar story. Its really a non-issue where i live anyways. In fact almost looked upon as unusual in my community. lol.

[...austhai/...]

21. When I graduated I moved out with a college buddy and then earned money from that moment on.
Never have asked for money since then because I rely on myself and never a man.

[jewbird]

cheeseprata said:

This is a double part question.

For me, I began fully supporting myself (and by fully I mean no more relying on your parents) at 19 which is the same time I left home.

For some people, they have to leave home early due to living in remote areas for school etc. So they start young. For me I thought 19 was kinda average. I was able to make ends meet with a government allowance for studying and part time work.

I love how you became independent of your parents while becoming dependent on the government. Fully supporting yourself indeed.

For myself, I stopped being financially-dependent on my parents the same time they stopped being financially-dependent on themselves, with a little financial-planning help from me.

[cheeseprata]

sam said:

I love how you became independent of your parents while becoming dependent on the government. Fully supporting yourself indeed.

You wouldn't be judging me by any chance would you?

[jewbird]

cheeseprata said:

sam said:

I love how you became independent of your parents while becoming dependent on the government. Fully supporting yourself indeed.

You wouldn't be judging me by any chance would you?

I'm merely re-examining your claim to be fully supporting yourself when you're receiving support from the government.

In fact, I fail to appreciate the difference in lifestyle between that and receiving the same level of support from your parents.

I wouldn't say I'm "judging" you, except to the extent that you *DID* make a big deal out of not getting support from your parents, (in fact you came across as rather high and mighty about it) yet I can't bring myself to fathom the distinction.

[dannyd]

He is going to spend the rest of his life paying taxes that contribute to the same payment for future students. It's more like a loan

The payment is handy, but if you're not working on top of it, you need to be frugal as hell if you want to eat 3 times a day. You still need to work if you want some part of a life, decent food and things like textbooks etc.

[xandra]

sam said:

cheeseprata said:

You wouldn't be judging me by any chance would you?

I'm merely re-examining your claim to be fully supporting yourself when you're receiving support from the government.

In fact, I fail to appreciate the difference in lifestyle between that and receiving the same level of support from your parents.

I wouldn't say I'm "judging" you, except to the extent that you *DID* make a big deal out of not getting support from your parents, (in fact you came across as rather high and mighty about it) yet I can't bring myself to fathom the distinction.

I didn't detect any high and mighty-ness at all. It seemed rather point-blank if anything, to me.

[jewbird]

dannyd said:

He is going to spend the rest of his life paying taxes that contribute to the same payment for future students. It's more like a loan

The payment is handy, but if you're not working on top of it, you need to be frugal as hell if you want to eat 3 times a day. You still need to work if you want some part of a life, decent food and things like textbooks etc.

That's all well and good but I still don't see how that differentiates it from the same level of parental support, of which he made a sharp distinction.

[cheeseprata]

sam said:

cheeseprata said:

You wouldn't be judging me by any chance would you?

I'm merely re-examining your claim to be fully supporting yourself when you're receiving support from the government.

In fact, I fail to appreciate the difference in lifestyle between that and receiving the same level of support from your parents.

I wouldn't say I'm "judging" you, except to the extent that you *DID* make a big deal out of not getting support from your parents, (in fact you came across as rather high and mighty about it) yet I can't bring myself to fathom the distinction.

Interesting.

Cop out. But interesting.

removed s from smove to make it move

[dannyd]

For starters, you have to earn $16000, of your own money within an 18 month period to prove to the government you are independant of your parents before they'll give you any payments.

Going out there, earning that money, proving your independance from your parents, doing things for yourself, worrying about putting your own meals on the table. I'm not being high and mighty either. I'm sure however there is a distinction.

[jewbird]

What about going out there and proving your independence from the government?

I'm sure there's a distinction as well. It's the distinction between being a trustafarian and being a fat black woman named Laqueesha with three kids by as many fathers.

Sometimes parents put conditions on their children receiving financial support from them. Other times, they help their young adult children out who are already in the workforce due to the high cost of living in large cities and low entry-level salaries. How would that be substantially different than receiving it from the government?

For me, what this really comes down to is a question of fully supporting oneself as was initially stated. If you're receiving financial assistance of any kind in doing so, you can't be said to be.

And really, I find the whole notion of fully supporting oneself to be rather high and mighty. Unless you parachute into the middle of the Amazon with only a knife and a half-litre of water, you really aren't. And the only people who financially support themselves generate more value by living than they consume. They probably live a pretty crappy lifestyle.

Economically, you have to generate more economic value for others by the sweat of your brow than you consume to be fully supporting yourself. But really, much economic value is created by machines.

[cheeseprata]

sam said:

What about going out there and proving your independence from the government?

I'm sure there's a distinction as well. It's the distinction between being a trustafarian and being a fat black woman named Laqueesha with three kids by as many fathers.

Sometimes parents put conditions on their children receiving financial support from them. Other times, they help their young adult children out who are already in the workforce due to the high cost of living in large cities and low entry-level salaries. How would that be substantially different than receiving it from the government?

For me, what this really comes down to is a question of fully supporting oneself as was initially stated. If you're receiving financial assistance of any kind in doing so, you can't be said to be.

And really, I find the whole notion of fully supporting oneself to be rather high and mighty. Unless you parachute into the middle of the Amazon with only a knife and a half-litre of water, you really aren't. And the only people who financially support themselves generate more value by living than they consume. They probably live a pretty crappy lifestyle.

Economically, you have to generate more economic value for others by the sweat of your brow than you consume to be fully supporting yourself. But really, much economic value is created by machines.

And your point was?.........

[jewbird]

#1) If you're getting money from the government, you're not fully supporting yourself.
#2) Even if you work for a living, a lot of the value you allegedly generate comes from other sources.