|
Post by shugi on May 11, 2006 1:05:22 GMT -5
My stomach God thunders in anger - it demands a sacrifice and adoration, im going to have ro sacrifice a 12 inch subway sandwitch to appease its gurgling wrath.
|
|
|
Post by supersonic74 on May 11, 2006 17:48:55 GMT -5
I belief in myself for I am God ...no jokin...I use to belief there was a God...but not anymore...religion only brings to many conflicts..but that's my opinion.. If I ever come religieus again then it would be buddisme or toaisme..
|
|
|
Post by davidbleo on May 11, 2006 23:55:52 GMT -5
I was baptized catholic but know I'd consider myself "strong agnostic", first I started to see organized religions in a bad way, specially catholic and some kinds of christianity... and then I reached this simple idea: if I'm a good person, but I don't believe in god or don't worship him, am I going to hell? I think not... and if god send me to hell just 'cause I don't believe in him, then I'll be better there... Another idea is that if you are a good person just because you want and not bacause you fear a possible punishment in the other life, you'll have more merit than the ones who are good because of fear... Well, more or less that's why I'm agnostic... but my lack of english doesn't allow me to explain it like I'd want to...
David
|
|
|
Post by miaim on May 12, 2006 5:40:23 GMT -5
i think the confusion arises from the fact that a lot of people will declare they don't believe in 'God' then immediately talk about 'God' as if 'God' exists.....a good example being the 3 posts above - no offence, gentlemen..... imho, they all still believe 'God' exists - they're just not ready to come to terms with the fact they believe in 'God'....otherwise, why would they talk about 'God' when 'God' can only exist if one believes in the existance of 'God'? how can 'God' be angry with you for not believing if he only exists if you believe in him? you see what i mean? for the record, i'm firmly in the "i don't know" camp: i don't know if 'God' exists & quite frankly, i don't care if 'God' exists....whatever rocks your boat and/or brings you peace..... also "asian" philospohies such as buddhism or taoism have been just as by corrupted by power as have been the western religions, such as christianity & islam.....don't buy into the white man's hype that they are purer, cuz they're not....read up on Chinese history! peace
|
|
|
Post by shugi on May 12, 2006 5:52:00 GMT -5
Well this diety in my stomach is upset because it usually doesnt get fed from breakfast until afternoon snack time (Worship period)
None taken ;D, but remember that previous post was just to say in a fancy way. Im hungry i dont know why im so hungry, i must have a god in my stomach that makes me so hungry.
but on a serious note, i'll address god as god even as a atheist because thats just the accepted notion of which i can label him, *It*... thing, floating voodoo sky monkey(s), Whatever ethereal title gets you hard.
|
|
|
Post by miaim on May 12, 2006 6:37:20 GMT -5
yeah, but if you don't believe in *God*, why would you even think a *God* would be getting angry in your stomach cuz you're hungry? see what i mean....it seems as if you're acknowledging implicitly he does exist.... it's really just a perception - or a question: why even talk about 'God' as if 'God' exists if you really believe 'God' doesn't exist? did that make sense? peace
|
|
|
Post by qomix on May 12, 2006 8:02:03 GMT -5
but what if you're using the idea of god as a metaphore, and applying an idea using that metaphore? are you thus acknowledging beliefe in god? or are you simply just applying an ideology to a non-related topic?
|
|
|
Post by miaim on May 12, 2006 9:03:50 GMT -5
but what if you're using the idea of god as a metaphore, and applying an idea using that metaphore? are you thus acknowledging beliefe in god? yes, but by using 'God' as a metaphor, isn't one implicitly acknowledging that 'God' exists? Shugi, for example, was using 'God' to convey his imcomprehension of his own hunger.... *implicitly*: in order to understand his comment, you need to accept that 'God' is all knowing & causes incomprehensible events (in this case, Shugi's hunger - i agree it's not exactly poetry, but i digress ;D ) if Shugi really didn't believe there is a *God*, then why would he use *God* as the reference to express his incomprehension of his own hunger? why refer to something that doesn't exist in his own mind? or is Shugi expressing *implicitly* his own views of what he believes 'God' is by associating 'God' with the cause of incomprehensible events? @shugi: it's nothing personal: if you want me to use another poster's comment (cuz others have done what you did too!), let me know...i'll dissect someone else! or i'll make up a hypothetical example & spare everyone! or are you simply just applying an ideology to a non-related topic? yes, but why choose an ideology one has already declared one does not believe in? peace
|
|
|
Post by davidbleo on May 12, 2006 15:12:38 GMT -5
how can 'God' be angry with you for not believing if he only exists if you believe in him? you see what i mean? So, if I believe in unicorns, they exist... or better yet, what if I blindly believe I can fly And I didn't speak as if god exists... I said if... and possible Or if I don't believe, and therefore god doesn't exist, then I can do all the evil I want without being punished (at least in the "afterlife"), so hell is only for bad persons who are believers.. I'm trying to explain what I think... no offense to you... David
|
|
|
Post by miaim on May 12, 2006 17:09:05 GMT -5
So, if I believe in unicorns, they exist... well, they exist for you & you would be quite free, at least in my books, to claim that unicorns exist....& indeed for you, they would exist....the sticky part is that not many other people would agree...but that's usually called 'testing the faith'...LOL or better yet, what if I blindly believe I can fly you're quite free to claim you can fly....tho i would be worried by your mental health if you tried to act on it....but you can claim you believe you can fly.... & a lot of people use it as a metaphor too: does RKelly really believe he can fly? And I didn't speak as if god exists... I said if... and possible yes, but then why speak of God as if God exists....if God doesn't exist, then it doesn't matter what judgment God may or may not have on your behaviour.....why care about the opinion of someone who doesn't exist? Or if I don't believe, and therefore god doesn't exist, then I can do all the evil I want without being punished (at least in the "afterlife"), so hell is only for bad persons who are believers.. technically, yes....if you don't believe there is a god, there is no reason you should fear the consequences of your actions on judgment day or the after life, or whatever.... as far as i'm concerned, hell exists only for those that believe hell does indeed exist....i say believe cuz you can't prove that hell exists....i guess we'all find out when we die! I'm trying to explain what I think... no offense to you... no offense taken! peace
|
|
|
Post by supersonic74 on May 12, 2006 18:46:55 GMT -5
i think the confusion arises from the fact that a lot of people will declare they don't believe in 'God' then immediately talk about 'God' as if 'God' exists.....a good example being the 3 posts above - no offence, gentlemen..... I use to belief there was a God...but not anymore... no offence taken dude ;D I was taught in believin there was a God ..but when I got older ..things happen during my life..that I now think there isn't a God...what I meant about "I belief in myself for I am God" ..is that I control my own life and sometimes let faith leads it's way...
|
|
|
Post by david on May 13, 2006 19:00:12 GMT -5
If there is a God, it is at least consistent that we experience a degree of intellectual uncertainty about him. I don’t subscribe to this, but for the sake of exploring an idea some may not have thought, it is not inconsistent to suppose that a God might exist who did not wish us to know, or at least to be sure, that He existed. Uncertainty as to whether or not God exists may therefore be consistent with belief in God, and should not necessarily be dismissed as ‘agnosticism’. The inability to ‘prove’ God’s existence, in the sense of demonstrating it in such a way that its denial would be a contradiction, does not necessarily entail the collapse of theism. It could even be argued that certain forms of theism would collapse if such a proof existed. For example, if God does not coerce belief, then the corollary of that argument would be that there could be no certainty that God existed.
There is a potential reason for faith. Even the ultimate currency of science is faith. Yes, it’s all down to faith whichever which way you look at it regardless of what anyone believes in whatever, but atheists ask others to believe in a logic that requires even more fantastical faith.
|
|
|
Post by xriz on May 13, 2006 23:47:46 GMT -5
how can 'God' be angry with you for not believing if he only exists if you believe in him? you see what i mean? So, if I believe in unicorns, they exist... or better yet, what if I blindly believe I can fly And I didn't speak as if god exists... I said if... and possible Or if I don't believe, and therefore god doesn't exist, then I can do all the evil I want without being punished (at least in the "afterlife"), so hell is only for bad persons who are believers.. I'm trying to explain what I think... no offense to you... David I'm with you on this davidbleo. I don’t see the logic of; just because you believe in something it exits. Sure as a concept something like a Unicorn can exist, just like Santa Clause exist as a concept and as a character but Santa Clause does not physically exist, live at the north pole ect….. By the way, you’ve joined the forum during a defacto ideological, ah…disagreement, lol. So don’t be surprised if you find some of the members try to , ah… pardon my vulgar American vernacularism, “Mind f*ck” you, lol. I read your earlier post and have similar thoughts; but through my personal experiences and feelings, I came to the conclusion there were never any Deities. My opinion, religions were the first “Corporations”; ancient man discovered at some point he could create an organization of people that out lived the individual, the organization acted much like a very powerful person and they still do, but Gods as most normal people understand the word do not exit, in my opinion.
|
|
|
Post by qomix on May 14, 2006 13:24:58 GMT -5
I think that the whole idea of faith other then explaining away the unknown to a all powerful god, is the application of self-importance on the human species.. and because there exists a god, there must be a higher purpose to our existance.. I mean.. what would happen if suddenly the whole world stopped believing in their various religions? what if everyone suddenly came to the realisation that we only have a short period of time.. there is NO point to life.. no heaven no hell.. what is going to happen? what is the point of bettering yourself? why not just kill someone for what you need if we are all so insignificant? I honestly don't know what would happen..
I think it is also dangerous to link science and religion.. they are based on different principals of human understanding.. one based on the collection and recording of data, the other based on the lack of collectable or recordable data.
|
|
|
Post by angel on May 14, 2006 13:48:19 GMT -5
I'm atheist, and have been for as long as I can remember, before I even really understood that it was an option for me to not believe in a God. I listened to a podcast earlier this week featuring Stephen Fry and Christopher Hitchens discussing blasphemy as last year's Hay Literature festival. It's really interesting and you could do a lot worse than listen to some of it (it's 80 mins long...) if only to hear two incredibly articulate men discussing a fascinating subject. The last five minutes are a wonderful speech by Stephen Fry. Click the link from the page. blogs.guardian.co.uk/culturevulture/archives/2006/05/08/listen_to_steph.html
|
|