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Post by pepsicola on Jul 7, 2006 7:34:20 GMT -5
Mainly Thai and polish. i've never met anyone else with my mix (hardly any asians in Poland to begin with..). The hottest people ive met are of Thai and Scandinavian mix., there are lots of them in Thailand.
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Post by Aiko on Jul 7, 2006 15:52:34 GMT -5
Geographical Eurasian - Central Asian (Turk mix) and East Asian (Siberian-Jp-Chin-Kor) with a bit of Slavic blood on both sides.
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Post by jericho on Jul 8, 2006 3:46:45 GMT -5
Burmese/Welsh mix.
My Burmese heritage traces back to India and China as well as Scotland.
My Welsh heritage traces to France and England.
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Post by jericho on Jul 8, 2006 3:55:10 GMT -5
TAKEN FROM WIKIPEDIA (The following does not express my own views): "During the early colonial period of the Philippines, the term originally referred only to those of mixed Filipino and Spanish or Mexican ancestry. However, the term soon became generic and synonymous for "mixed race". With the Chinese presence in the Philippines always being numerically greater than that of Spaniards or Mexicans, individuals of mixed Filipino and Chinese ancestry became more prevalent than those of Filipino and Spanish or Filipino and Mexican descent. The term has since been freely used to refer to all Filipinos of mixed ancestry, irrespective of racial combination or ratio, but typically including an ethnic Filipino base stock. A recent genetic study by Stanford University, however, indicates that 3.6% of the population has at least some European, probably Spanish, ancestry. Furthermore, in Filipino usage, the term is often regarded a synonym of "beauty", and is also employed to denote any unmixed Filipino of a lighter skin complexion. Upon the retreat of Spain and Mexico at the end of colonial occupation, people of mestiso ancestry were able to position themselves at the top of a caste-based social structure which the Spanish had previously established and dominated. As a result, mestisos held the greatest governing influence in the country, almost absolute control of commerce and industry, and an excessively disproportionate share of wealth. Spanish-mestisos have long constituted the great majority of the upper class and rarely intermingle with those outside their ethnic group. Today, a great majority are either in politics or are high-ranking executives of commerce and industry and hold great control over the country's economy. An almost equally large number are also members of the entertainment industry, which they have saturated disproportionately. The biased favouritism responsible for their overwhelming presence in film and television is deeply-rooted on established Filipino "ideals of beauty" that stem from colonial concepts, and which are determined based on the possession of partial European ancestry. " _____________________________________________ ^This kind of explains Infanta's bizarre obssession with his own thread in which he posted non-stop pictures of many random Mestizos.
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Post by jericho on Jul 8, 2006 4:02:51 GMT -5
ALSO FROM WIKIPEDIA (Colonial mentality in the Philippines NOTE: Article still requires citations.): In the Philippines colonial mentality is most evident in the biased favouritism for Filipino mestizos (primarily those of native Filipino and white ancestry, but also native Filipino and Chinese, etc.) in the entertainment industry and mass media which they have saturated disproportionately, despite constituting the smallest minority in the country. Of the current demographics of the Philippines, the combined number of all types of mestisos constitute no more than 2% of the entire Filipino population. Of that 2%, less than half are of the Spanish variety, while the rest of the population - constituting 95% and numbering over 80 million - is composed of unmixed native Filipinos. A recent genetic study by Stanford University, however, indicates that just 3.6% of the population has at least some European ancestry. See also Ethnic groups of the Philippines. The biased favouritism responsible for their overwhelming presence in film and television is deeply-rooted on established Filipino "ideals of beauty" that are determined on the possession of partial European ancestry, an ideal that stems from colonial concepts first introduced by over 300 years of Spanish colonial rule, then by a further generation of Anglo-American occupation. PEDIGREE AND FORGERY Colonial mentality is also at the root of a long established Filipino tradition of ethnic forgery used in the attempt to conform to the idealized mestizo pedigree dictated by the former colonial Filipino socio-racial hierarchy. They pass as other races. This ethnic forgery is characterized by the habit of many Filipino families and individuals claiming mestizo status. It is often accompanied by handed-down oral accounts of a presumed Spanish great-great-grandfather or mestiza great-great-grandmother with no evidence other than a Spanish surname. However, unlike the people of the Hispanic world, of the millions of Spanish-surnamed Filipinos, very few families in the Philippines actually received their Spanish surnames from an actual Iberian ancestor. The overwhelming majority of Filipinos with Spanish surnames acquired them as a result of the Catálogo Alfabético de Apellidos ["Alphabetic Catalogue of Surnames"] decreed to be imposed on the entire Filipino population by the Spanish royal courts in order to facilitate record-keeping and tax collecting. This preoccupation among Filipinos with identifying as anything other than Filipino also takes on a new form known as IMSCF Syndrome among Filipino Americans in North America and other western countries with expatriate Filipino communities. ________________________________ What is wrong with being native Filipino anyways? Mestizos aren't all that and a bag of chips. This is also very interesting to read regarding IMSCF Syndrome.
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Post by ╗ on Jul 8, 2006 4:57:57 GMT -5
I feel like I've exhausted myself on this topic, but I'll try again.
BASICALLY, what constitutes a "pure" or "full-blooded" Filipino? If it's someone from the Philippines who's not mixed, then most Filipinos aren't "full-blooded". I'm not saying every Filipino is quarter or 1/8 Spanish, but unless you're talking about the natives, I think it's safe to say that ALL Filipinos today are mixed-race, whether it's Malay-Chinese, Chinese-Spanish, Malay-Spanish, etc, etc. All of these mini-mixes make up what is known today as "Filipino". Just look at them; some of them look more Chinese, some more Malay, and some even very Euro-looking.
As for "native Filipino", I think that refers to the minority of pre-Spanish indigenous people who still live there, like the Aetas; if anyone is "full-blooded" Filipino, it's probably them. Otherwise, Filipinos today are mixed; mixed to the point that "full-blooded" or "pure" Filipino is meaningless. I mean, a light Filipino with a lot Spanish blood and a dark Filipino who's very Malay, can both be considered "full Filipino" if their family has been there for generations, even though they're obviously not the same genetic makeup.
And I know, Y2J, you've mentioned that Indians and Vietnamese can also be considered mixed in the same way. Well, I do consider Indians mixed (their facial appearances are very varied, like Filipinos). I don't know too much about Vietnamese, though I supposed they're mixed in the same way too.
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Post by jericho on Jul 8, 2006 6:37:19 GMT -5
^ Y2J is dead Cristo, only Jericho remains. Your argument cannot just be used for filipinos then, it can be used for every single race on the planet. Stanford University Genetic studies indicates that just 3.6% of the population has at least some European ancestry. The non-academic term for this phenomenon of filipinos claiming to be of mixed origin (prominently of white especially spanish origin, Chinese or other origin) is called IMSCF Syndrome (I'm Spanish Chinese Filipino) simply because they have been taught through colonialist thinking that being just filipino is somehow inferior. So there are many who will say it, but only if they associate themselves with something else. Your own avatar caption can be claimed as a clear cut example, "Born in the Philippines...but grew up in America." Not saying you suffer from IMSCF, but it certainly seems like a theory for your being on EAN, whether you are actually several generations removed related to a spaniard or someone decided to make it up one day to give the family some form of status, that's not for me to argue. The fact remains, I don't know you and no one else really does for that matter... therefore I will not say anything further regarding whatever motive you have for being here, that is not the issue. As stated earlier, Genetic studies done by Stanford University have said that despite an overwhelmingly large majority of the population claiming they have spanish or other ancestry, they cannot prove it in their genealogy. Only 3.6% of the population can, and there are a lot of people in the Philippines. According articles filipinos claim it because somehow along the way, being Mestizo is the epitome of power, status and respect in the Philippines, which just doesn't make sense. Mestizos make up like 2% of the population in the Philippines and yet they're splurged across the media, whereas those who are dark skinned with malay/asian features (which are a vast majority) are not represented in the media. Cristo your basic argument appears to cling to the IMSCF method of thinking, being mixed should not be a big deal, yet somehow it's very important and held highly in Filipino culture. As if somehow being mixed makes them better as people, that's not true at all. There are plenty of mixed people here who are no better than monoracials. LINKThis is taken from WIKIPEDIA regarding IMSCF Syndrome as previously linked in my second post. (The reason I have suddenly become vocal about this is that I cannot believe how big a deal being mixed is made over there. It's very interesting.) "The topic of ancestry among Filipinos is often a very touchy subject. Influenced by factors steeming from colonial mentality, the trend in the Philippines has always been to place emphasis on any foreign blood, preferably European (Spanish or white American) and to exalt it, and when in the overwhelming majority of cases none was there, to invent it." "Many Filipino families have a tradition of handing down oral accounts of the Spanish great-great-grandfather or the mestisa great-great-grandmother with no evidence other than a Spanish surname. However, unlike the people of the Hispanic world, of the millions of Spanish-surnamed Filipinos, none but a few families in the Philippines inherited their surnames from an actual Iberian ancestor. The overwhelming majority of Filipinos with Spanish or Spanish-sounding surnames acquired them as a result of the Catálogo Alfabético de Apellidos ("Alphabetical Catalogue of Surnames") decreed to be imposed on all native Filipinos by the Spanish royal courts. The continuing prevalence of the syndrome is attributed to the negative international image of the Philippines and to the lack, or invisibility, of Filipino role models in America or abroad for expatriate Filipino communities. As a result of this, numerous Filipino American youth are often said to downplay, deny, or outright forge their ancestry." "Because of IMSCF Syndrome, there is unfortunately a not too uncommon view held of Filipinos as lacking pride in their Filipino origins.[citation needed] They may sometimes be seen as being all to readily anxious in classifying themselves as anything other than Filipino, or at the very least not as a pure Filipino. Some are further said to attempt to falsely identify as either Hispanics or Pacific Islanders so as to avoid aligning themselves with, or "worse yet" identifying as, Asians. In Hawai'i, many non-Filipinos may even look down on Filipinos for this perceived lack of pride in their true Filipino origin. This causes the further complication in Hawai'i of some Filipinos altogether erasing the Filipino element from their itinerary of adopted ancestries and replacing it with native Hawaiian and reciting; "I'm Spanish, Chinese and Hawaiian" or by simply dropping Filipino." IMSCF is also known as Jasmine Trias Syndrome, the girl from American Idol who denied her Filipino heritage in favour of Hawaiian heritage even though she was not even remotely native Hawaiian. This woman has made an interesting article on her own experiences with IMSCF Syndrome: THE MANILLA GIRL: L. Marcelline Santos-Taylor "The Color of my Skin" The Second article. Anyways, Cristobal I think your argument is far too braod and awfully generic in regards to definition and really doesn't justify much at all. If you say that about the Philippines, you can say that about every single nation on Earth (Yup, every last one). As I said before and so have the authors in the articles quoted, "What is wrong with saying you're Filipino, it doesn't have to be in conjunction with something else."
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Post by ╗ on Jul 8, 2006 10:09:42 GMT -5
^Yes, but when you said that, you were still Y2J I don't want an EAN fight!The IMSCF syndrome says "Spanish, Chinese, and Filipino". Meaning, people who suffer from that syndrome consider Filipino to be different from the other 2. That is, they consider Filipino, Chinese, and Spanish to be 3 seperate races AND THEN they identify with all 3. Well I'm not saying they're 3 separate groups. What I'M saying is more like: Filipino is a mix of Chinese, Malay, Spanish and other groups. See, I'm saying Filipino BY ITSELF is already a mix of races, rather than a separate monoracial group. So I think it's quite different from IMSCF thinking. And even if most Filipinos have no Spanish blood, I'm sure most of them are still mixed with other races. I'm NOT saying Filipinos are better if they're mixed, I'm just trying to say that they ARE mixed, though not mixed in the same way that multiracial identity is usually perceived. About applying my argument to every nation on Earth...Filipinos' current ethnic/genetic makeup comes from recent centuries of the country's history. The genetic makeup of many other racial groups, however, comes from thousands of years of mixing; mixing to the point that they're generally considered full-blooded. And since Filipinos' ethnic mixing is a lot more recent, I'm not sure it's the same as EVERY race on Earth.
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Post by davidbleo on Jul 8, 2006 14:46:08 GMT -5
I have ancestors from China, Portugal, Ireland, Prehispanic Mexico, Spain, and maybe even the middle east... so I'm just mixed.
About the Philippines I think is more or less like Mexico... where everyone is mixed, well... almost everyone and the wealthiest people are mostly european. But we think of ourselves as mexicans, and not as some mix of different races. And I guess the kind of colony that the Philippines was, was too more or less like Mexico 'cause it was administrated from the New Spain and in the New Spain even when it was an "elitist" society, mixing between americans and europeans was common... I'm also thinking that some "spaniards" during the colony period in the philippines were mexican mestizos, 'cause I've read that tagalog have some loan words from nahuatl, the language of the Aztec Empire...
So, the point is... I guess a philippine is like Cristobal said a mix, just as a mexican is too a mix...
Sorry for my bad english... but I have always some difficulties when trying to say something "complex"...
David
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Post by ╗ on Jul 8, 2006 16:31:42 GMT -5
^Yes! That's what I'm saying.
I'm not saying Filipinos are half-Asian or some special Eurasian race. I'm saying, like Mexican, Filipino is an ethnic group that has RECENT racial mixing (compared to many other countries) but they're still generally considered to be an unmixed, monoracial group. Like Davidbleo said, Mexicans "think of themselves as Mexicans, and not as some mix of different races". Unlike many other countries, Mexico and The Philippines have a RECENT history of ethnic mixing, but most people just consider them as full-blooded. Mexicans look quite different too; some are light, some are dark, but all of them are generally called "full Mexican"--as if they're not mixed (when you can see that they are).
I think it's the same with most former Spanish colonies. There's really isn't such a thing as "full-blooded Argentinian", "full-blooded Costa Rican", "full-blooded Filipino", etc. Because they're racially mixed from recent centuries of their history. But I'm not saying they're mixed in the same way as the half-Asian EAs on this site.
Yes, I think Filipinos being mixed is a little bit like Mexicans being mixed.
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Post by jericho on Jul 8, 2006 23:36:33 GMT -5
Understood. Burmese are like that too, after talking with a few people, I still think it's a little iffy, but I guess that and whether the Philippines is part of Asia are iffy topics. Though the latter I think, is very unnecessarily iffy.
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Post by ╗ on Jul 10, 2006 2:51:48 GMT -5
hmm...I could've saved myself all those paragraphs...
Since The Philippines is a former Spanish colony, their genetic makeup is likely similar to that of Latinos (I'm sure we all agree Latinos are mixed...).
Yeah, Filipinos are like the Latinos of Asia (though it's more complicated and iffy than that).
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Post by miss feli on Jul 10, 2006 3:27:32 GMT -5
Umm~ back on topic... lol.
I'm half Korean half WASP ^^ white anglo saxon protestant for those who don't know
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Post by davidbleo on Jul 10, 2006 3:52:58 GMT -5
hmm...I could've saved myself all those paragraphs... Since The Philippines is a former Spanish colony, their genetic makeup is likely similar to that of Latinos (I'm sure we all agree Latinos are mixed...). Yeah, Filipinos are like the Latinos of Asia (though it's more complicated and iffy than that). I found an article in wikipedia showing a list of loan words in the tagalog language... and there are some nahuatl words, that even when they "travelled" to the Philippines via spanish, those words were used among indians and mestizos (during the colonial period)... Sakate (Nahuatl: zacatl) Meaning: grass Tsokolate (Nahuatl: xocolatl) Meaning: chocolate (the most widespread nahuatl word) Tatay (Nahuatl: tatl) Meaning: father (mexican spanish doesn't have that nahuatl word) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tagalog_loanwordsI dunno if all the info there is completely right.... but it makes to my eyes the philippine society one of the richest and more multicultural I know (in this case barely know, I've to find more resources about it)
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Post by Szymon Von Zalyn on Jul 19, 2006 5:33:57 GMT -5
I am a 4/8 Polish/Prussian, 2/8 Italian and 2/8 Kalmyk eurasian. (Kalmyk's are a mongolian, largely buddhist nation that emmigrated to the Volga region of Russian circa 500 years ago and apparently have communities in lots of foreign countries)
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