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Post by jewbird on Jan 7, 2008 18:35:34 GMT -5
The news media and other unintelligent types talk about what a moral abomination is, but isn't the behavior that brought the honor killing about in the first place the real moral abomination?
A civilized society gives a man recourse against an unfaithful wife aside from handing her half his assets.
OJ really is totally 100% not guilty in the eyes of God. (whether you believe or don't) It's only America's racism that a beautiful blonde would marry a that pillories him in the court of public opinion for exercising his moral rights.
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Post by viruslabrat on Jan 8, 2008 13:20:59 GMT -5
Did you forget to take your meds today Sam?  Since when is murder justified by the victim cheating on the perpetrator? Doesn't it seem just a little extreme?  I see no honour in honour killings. What else do you think death is a suitable punishment for? (besides being a Robbie Williams fan) |
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Post by jewbird on Jan 8, 2008 16:54:35 GMT -5
Well, death (not murder) for a faithless whore is certainly more justified than them winning the lottery. In fact, that is precisely what Torah prescribes. Even Jesus didn't say it was wrong when the crowd came to stone the adultress.
There being honor in honor killings is a question of cultural norms. But certainly, there is no honor in being cheated on and no honor in having a whore take half your assets.
I think we can safely say that Muslim societies are more moral than ours.
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Post by jewbird on Jan 8, 2008 17:24:24 GMT -5
For the record, I wouldn't actually kill my spouse even if she cheated on me, but I'd certainly smack her around to let her know what's up. Spare the rod and spoil the child, as it were.
edit: OJ is still innocent though.
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Post by TotalWar on Jan 8, 2008 23:11:39 GMT -5
A civilized society gives a man recourse against an unfaithful wife aside from handing her half his assets. Absolutely. With over half of marriages (at least here in the US) ending in divorce, men who marry are risking their entire net worth on a coin toss, and run the same risk of having their children's lives ruined while their unstable idiot mother fills their heads with poison against them. I don't see how this is anything but a losing proposition. |
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Post by halfbreed on Jan 9, 2008 3:14:13 GMT -5
@ Jewbird: silence, muggle.
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Post by juancarlos on Jan 9, 2008 9:30:56 GMT -5
Well, death (not murder) for a faithless whore is certainly more justified than them winning the lottery. In fact, that is precisely what Torah prescribes. Even Jesus didn't say it was wrong when the crowd came to stone the adultress. There being honor in honor killings is a question of cultural norms. But certainly, there is no honor in being cheated on and no honor in having a whore take half your assets. I think we can safely say that Muslim societies are more moral than ours. And what if the husband is the one doing the "whoring"? Should the wife kill him too? If Muslim societies are "more moral" than ours, what's keeping you from moving to Saudi Arabia? |
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Post by viruslabrat on Jan 9, 2008 9:47:18 GMT -5
Am I justified in honourably killing someone for being a knob? Yeah jewbird, you're excellent marriage material if you advocate smacking your spouse around. Explains A LOT. |
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Post by tbw on Jan 10, 2008 4:52:59 GMT -5
There is no way in the world you can justify a killing for any reason. Alot of married couples I know draw up contracts to protect their money before, during and after the marriage. Although a pre-nup only really covers money earned before the marriage this contract goes onto say what percentage of the wealth they would lose should altercations occur after one party has broken their vowels. (ie. If the wife should sleep with someone while married & the husband finds out she will only be entitled to 10% of the wealth accumulated with her husband should they divorce instead of the traditional half of the wealth. And vice versa.) Now you can debate about how 'this is not love', but its a much better humiliation than something not reversible like a killing or a beating. And what guy can honestly say they would lay a hand on a woman in any situation.
So I hear there was edrama in this thread, but I see v.little to keep me entertained.
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Post by jewbird on Jan 10, 2008 6:28:16 GMT -5
I agree that marriage contracts are the best way to prevent disputes from getting out of control. In fact, that's exactly what marriage is traditionally based on. However it appears such contracts are frequently nullified by the courts as family law unjustly almost universally favors women.
I still don't think that should stop a man marrying though. Although 50% of marriages end in divorce, a lot of those are serial monogomizers and 70% of first marriages remain together. So for people who aren't Rudy Giuliani, even if you're the type to commit the rest of your life to a statistic, the odds really aren't that bad.
As for the more practical matters of irreversibles, bruises heal but hearts don't.
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Post by black mamba on Jan 10, 2008 8:53:50 GMT -5
As for the more practical matters of irreversibles, bruises heal but hearts don't. Cue small violin. |
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Post by viruslabrat on Jan 10, 2008 8:58:30 GMT -5
So I hear there was edrama in this thread, but I see v.little to keep me entertained. This thread needs a certain aphid... |
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Post by jewbird on Jan 10, 2008 14:57:18 GMT -5
As for the more practical matters of irreversibles, bruises heal but hearts don't. Cue small violin. It's playing Nicole's song. |
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Post by Ishman on Jan 10, 2008 16:50:44 GMT -5
Is this a real thread? Are you actually absolving OJ Simpson of brutally gutting two human beings? How messed up must his kids be knowing that their father stabbed their mother to death!? And I will say I don't know this for sure or have any evidence of it, but should we really believe that OJ was Mr. Faithful? I'm sorry but anyone who believes that there is such thing as killing to restore honor needs serious help. What is honor anyway? Nothing is worth more than life.
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Post by jewbird on Jan 10, 2008 17:01:05 GMT -5
Is this a real thread? Are you actually absolving OJ Simpson of brutally gutting two human beings? How messed up must his kids be knowing that their father stabbed their mother to death!? And I will say I don't know this for sure or have any evidence of it, but should we really believe that OJ was Mr. Faithful? I'm sorry but anyone who believes that there is such thing as killing to restore honor needs serious help. What is honor anyway? Nothing is worth more than life. If nothing is worth more than your life, then your life is worth nothing. |
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Since when is murder justified by the victim cheating on the perpetrator? Doesn't it seem just a little extreme? 
I see no honour in honour killings. What else do you think death is a suitable punishment for? (besides being a Robbie Williams fan)
