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Post by betahat on Apr 21, 2008 23:02:12 GMT -5
Seeing as how Eurasian-Eurasian couples appear to be quite common and popular around here, I was wondering whether anyone here is or knows of any second-generation Eurasians - i.e. on both sides. I've heard of some famous people like that for other combos - for example, did you know that Lenny Kravitz is half black/half Jewish and had children with Lisa Bonet (of Cosby fame) who is also half black/half Jewish (which tecnically makes their children 100% jewish but that's another story)? I'm curious what kind of identity issues there would be for children of two mixed parents (who were the same mix). Is it even possible that under such circumstances you could have two children who look very different, i.e. one with blue eyes and blond hair and another with mostly asian features? I'm certainly no expert in genetics, so could someone enlighten me on whether the phenotypical variation between children of two mixed parents would on average be much greater than for a white and asian parent? I'm sure this has probably come up before, but be kind to the newbie.
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Post by dolcedolce on Apr 21, 2008 23:45:28 GMT -5
I've wondered about this too... Actually though, (in my opinion.. or maybe im just being hopeful) that it would create LESS of an identity crisis because if both your parents are for example filipino and irish then you are obviously filipino and irish... there is no "choosing" one ethnicity or parent OR feeling like you are (insert ethnic group here) "enough" - its part of both of your parents. perhaps it will be more obvious to the child "if both my parents are this then so am I".. kind of like with "pure" ethnic ppl.. if both your parents are filipino, obviously you are filipino. Well, I would hope so anyways...
Yes, that could happen betahat, if both parents have recessive genes for blue eyes/blonde hair so could the children but its a smaller chance of dominant brown/brown (if thts what they have) obviously.. although I'm not expert on this either.... I think it was off EAN where someone linked this site where you could in put parents/grandparents eyecolour /haircolour and it would give you the potential eye/hair for the children.. pretty cooool. Maybe someone can link it??
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Post by TeeHee on Apr 22, 2008 15:42:32 GMT -5
^here's that thread eurasiannation.proboards48.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=politics&thread=2554&page=1As for the thread subject, my dad is full vietnamese/asian, and my mom is EA from a long line of vietnamese/french EA heritage. but given that they both were born/lived in vietnam for the earlier part of their lives, they're culturally vietnamese, though with a more french/western touch in my mom's case. even my mom's mostly/full french relatives who lived in vietnam were well-adapted to vietnamese culture, but still fostered some aspects of french culture.
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Post by betahat on Apr 22, 2008 16:11:22 GMT -5
That's amazing, twins too? It looks like the odds are about 100 to 1 for a normal child. I find that interesting, I would have thought it would be closer to one in four but it looks like those genes for racial phenotypes are pretty complicated and not like flipping coins. I'll be curious to see how it will turn out for my siblings and I down the road. My guess is that dolcedolce is right and cultural adjustment would be less of a factor since both parents have already dealt with that and are already pretty globalized. But if you and your sibling looked totally different like that I guess it could add a new twist to the usual sibling rivalry/identity formation issues.
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Post by Vestirse on Apr 22, 2008 18:11:14 GMT -5
I don't know about Celtriya, but if we want to get specific, my dad is 50/50 and my mom is 75A/25E - her mother is 50/50 and her father was full Chinese. My father is also the product of two Eurasians - 50/50. And indeed some of his siblings look more Chinese and others less.
My siblings and I all have dark eyes and dark hair - there's 3 of us in total. My brother looks much more Asian than either my sister or I. I still think I look pretty Asian, but most Asian people can tell I am mixed. White people are a toss-up - I get a lot Filipino and Hawaiian and I've also gotten Brazilian, Mexican and Cuban.
As a testament to the fact that when you are mixed, your children won't necessarily reflect the actual percentages of their ethnicities in their phenotype: My father, who is 50/50, is more Chinese-looking than my mother whose is only 25% Euro. A lot of people ask her if she is Italian actually. My father though has very light amber brown eyes. I want to add that the genetics of hair and eye color aren't as simple as dominant/recessive.
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Post by Vestirse on Apr 22, 2008 18:12:46 GMT -5
That's amazing, twins too? It looks like the odds are about 100 to 1 for a normal child. Well they are obviously fraternal twins and share the same amount of genetic similarity and difference as normal siblings do.
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Post by cm on Apr 22, 2008 20:05:43 GMT -5
Isn't the reason why you're on EAN is to begin the next generation of pure EA's?
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Post by Vestirse on Apr 22, 2008 22:07:22 GMT -5
Who are you talking to?
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Post by Phil on Apr 23, 2008 0:21:24 GMT -5
Mel, had EA parents. If she were still around I bet she'd already have replied to this with some insightful comments.
My parents are not mixed. I probably don't give them enough credit but they dont seem to get the mixed identity thing at all.
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Post by betahat on Apr 23, 2008 2:43:47 GMT -5
Vestirse, I find that continuation of EA heritage for so many (3!) generations fascinating. I guess there is sometimes a natural attraction - I felt it once but have never really been around a lot of EA ladies. Were your ancestors all pretty westernized or living in the kind of place (Singapore, Hong King, Vancouver, San Francisco) where that would be common? Or is it just by accident that your paternal grandparents were both mixed, had a mixed son who had mixed grandkids, etc.? And are you continuing the family tradition?
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Post by Vestirse on Apr 23, 2008 11:14:41 GMT -5
No, I married an Italian man and it's not really a tradition - it's just how it went.
My entire family is from Jamaica and there are many mixed individuals there. We probably also have black admixture, though my actual direct line does not claim it. However, I am suitably sure it is there, seeing as my maternal grandmother who is described as 50/50 does not know her own father (he abandoned her and her mother), who is described as Euro trash, but could be much more in fact. And in fact, my maternal grandmother is not even really 50/50, her own mother had significant Indian (from India) admixture. My paternal grandfather also claimed to be half asian half white, but he did not like his family and disowned them, so we do not know much about them.
So there is much uncertainty in what we actually have as our ethnicities. The only certainty is that we are mixed. I have first cousins that look like all colors of the rainbow and I like it that way. In a sense I cannot really relate to many individuals here as many of you have one white and one asian parent. My entire extended family is mixed. But I can relate on the level that many of you display in relating to your multiracial aspect.
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Post by Vestirse on Apr 23, 2008 23:44:19 GMT -5
Like I said, there is no tradition. It just happened the way it happened.
EDIT// Out of interest, are you planning to follow the "tradition"?
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Post by Phil on Apr 24, 2008 0:17:38 GMT -5
Vertirse have u posted pictures of urself? I';m interested in seeing what you look like after reading your family history. You must be Hakka? Do you know where in China your ancestors came from? I wonder if it was near where the Mauritian Hakkas came from, cause it seems we have the same Hakka dialect. I have some jamaican friends who also have european and chinese ancestors even if their appearance doesn't show it. "out of many , one people"
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Post by Vestirse on Apr 24, 2008 1:20:52 GMT -5
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Post by cheeseprata on Apr 24, 2008 22:22:03 GMT -5
I just had dinner with the extended family who are all Eurasian but we grew up in different countries. We all got at least one Eurasian parent and their parents were Eurasian. We were laughing at how some people won't believe what country we're from because of our look.
One of them was told off in the philipines by a customs officer for not knowing how to speak Tagalog, even though she's Malaysian. He refused to believe she wasn't philipina.
Another one who grew up in Thailand keeps "astounding" people there because she can read and speak Thai...we all had a good laugh.
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