jpeezy
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Post by jpeezy on Jul 31, 2008 19:38:20 GMT -5
Do you think i look Asian? ^I think you look half asian, but maybe that's because I'm half asian and I can actually tell the difference. A lot of caucasian people who might not have a lot of experience around asians might mistake you for full asian out of ignorance.
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Post by straylight on Jul 31, 2008 21:15:28 GMT -5
C'mon man. Bemoaning the fact that you don't look like Brad Pitt or George Clooney is just silly. Let alone Arnold or Pierce Brosnan. It doesn't make you uncool if you don't look like them. If anything, it's uncool to even care about that. Stop thinking about this sh*t. And hey, if it makes you feel better, I've only been compared to one (mixed) Asian actor -- but it was a freaking chick! Shannyn Sossamon (and hell no, I put no stock in it). In theory, I should be feeling a helluva lot worse than you for being compared to a chick -- but I don't. It's hilarious -- and besides, the same girl who told me that is open to having sex with Shannyn Sossamon anyways (aren't we all). So umm...I'm happy to oblige, in my own way.
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Post by betahat on Jul 31, 2008 21:26:30 GMT -5
I'm not saying woe is me. I'm the last person to complain, as I've dated girls of all races, and I know sometimes these EANation posts come across as a little whiny, and someone always has to come along and say stop being so emo, get over yourself and grow enough sack to be that cool confident guy who gets all the ladies. Look at the thread Phil started recently and all the heat that generated.
In my personal life I've experienced very little overt racism (and frequently it's probably the "good" kind of racism), and the subtle things usually slip by me as well. However, I do understand the statistical reality of interracial couples (3:1 White Man/Asian Woman to Asian Man/White Woman), I do have white friends who automatically assume that the Asian guys at the basketball court aren't going to be any good (and not just because they are short), I am aware of how white people and Eurasians are treated like rock stars in Asia but not vice versa, and I do watch movies (why didn't Chow Yun Fat get it on with Mira Sorvino in the replacement killers or Jet Li get it on with Aliyah in Rome Must Die? I know I would have, but maybe that's just because I'm half-white...) so I am aware that there exists a perception of asian male sexual/social/physical inferiority in some parts of society and I am sympathetic to it. I understand that some of it is attitude, but attitudes reinforce and are reinforced by cultural perceptions as well. So I can't help cheering for the short Asian guy to actually be really good at basketball and I couldn't help tearing up during Dragon: the Bruce Lee Story.
As for casual drug use, don't you know the Feds are on this message board 24/7 posing as modeling agents? I hope you don't have that pic on facebook too for the sake of your future employers. Just remember school first, then blaze. It got me pretty far...
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Post by straylight on Jul 31, 2008 21:51:47 GMT -5
Fair enough. It's nothing I've really thought about I guess... However, for everyone of those situations in movies, you can find alternate examples. Someone mentioned Keanu -- I mean, actors don't get any more "A-list" than that. I call bulls*** on the idea of EA/Asian women getting better roles -- because none are at his status yet. Or take Dean Cain, for example. He played Superman, for crissakes. Not the Karate Kid. Not the Silver Samurai. Superman.
Or in Asian cinema, all one has to do with watch Yojimbo. Toshiro Mifune has more cock and balls than Clint Eastwood, Steve McQueen, and Chuck Norris combined.
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cm
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Post by cm on Jul 31, 2008 22:35:46 GMT -5
Those alternate examples are fairly limited. What's sad is Jackie Chan making out with a girl in one scene in one of the Rush Hours was considered a 'breakthrough' for Asian men in cinema.
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cm
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Post by cm on Jul 31, 2008 23:05:04 GMT -5
Those alternate examples are fairly limited. What's sad is Jackie Chan making out with a girl in one scene in one of the Rush Hours was considered a 'breakthrough' for Asian men in cinema. Jackie Chan has turned himself into a clown, what woman, of any race, is going to find that attractive. Personally I see him in roles and cringe, it's embarrassing. Yes, even though that scene was one of the first romantic scenes of him, he is a large joke. I'll add Jet Li as well, for taking that Forbidden Kingdom movie, and having some scrawny ass white boy be the main actor and lover. Thankfully, there are a lot of Asian and Eurasian big stars in Mixed Martial Arts which are becoming household names in the US, which is truly making us proud. As well as baseball stars such as Ichiro Suzuki, Fukodome, Johnny Damon (half Thai), Dasuke Matsuzaka, Matsuia, and Chien Ming Wang to name only a few.
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Post by alphamikefoxtrot on Aug 1, 2008 13:24:55 GMT -5
LOL, that's right. But the Japanese have no reason to feel guilty, they received more than they deserved with 2 nuclear bombs, the Americans got them back 10 fold - in a cowardly way. And they have a lot of cool sh*t to be proud of, I don't know were I'd be without Japanese turbocharged cars Sorry for the digression, but the Japanese have reason to feel as guilty as any other country in the world, U.S. included.
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Post by betahat on Aug 1, 2008 14:34:08 GMT -5
I'm glad they only forced my grandma to be a phone operator during the occupation of Singapore, and not a comfort woman. At least, that's what I was told. I'm pretty sure my father is not half-japanese...
As for Jackie Chan, I understand that he is the Asian male equivalent of Phillip Seymour Hoffman or William H Macy in turns of casting for a romantic lead. Also, there might not be enough Asian woman in leading roles to really gauge whether the taboo on interracial making out in Hollywood movies applies equally to both sexes (the only movie that comes to mind is the Bond film, where he of course gets Michelle Yeoh).
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Post by straylight on Aug 1, 2008 15:50:52 GMT -5
If I was gay (IF ;D ), I guess I could say that Chow Yun Fat could qualify as an attractive man, at least. Only problem with him is, he's gotten old and doesn't speak the best English.
This goes without saying that he's more of the gruff action hero type. Arnold or Bruce Willis aren't known for bedding chicks in their movies either necessarily.
Hell, it's not like you're seeing much of any foreign actors (besides UK or Aussie at least) who are in American romantic parts. I can think of like 2 or 3 French dudes, one Spanish dude, but that's about it. So I wouldn't be getting all up in arms about it. It applies to any race. The "man" isn't necessarily keeping Asian men down.
Just like you don't see many whites in Asian cinema. I mean, wtf do you expect?
Or if you're expecting American born Asians to land these roles -- then you have to take into account that there aren't that many to begin with. On top of that, there aren't that many people trying to act. And then further, only 5 percent of those people get some slight break -- and only .5 percent of that 5 percent get an even bigger break. I could break down real statistics about the subject -- I have a lot of written material on the acting career in the US btw), but the chances of getting Jackie Chan in a Skinemax love scene is nil, I'll say that much. Besides, no should even want to see that anyways.
Also, taking the roadblocks ahead of an aspiring actor into account, this is why I say it shouldn't be glossed over that just a mixed guy like Keanu is big as he is. Or that a guy with Japanese blood played Superman, of all things. Or that Tommy Chong is the Godfather of all Stoners (not Asian stoners mind you. Just Stoners). Or that one of most award winning actors around is a halfy (Ben Kingsley). It's a pretty big deal really.
[edit] Oh, and another thing. This is my personal experience as someone who did dabble in acting -- first off, the usual route is to start in the stage. Yet, more than half of the roles you can audition for aren't exactly Asian or even Eurasian material. Modern plays are more open ended, as are commercials or modeling, but take, for example, Shakespeare. I may be half Danish, but I sure as hell do not make a good Hamlet. I could be Othello though. Or exotic characters that you'd see in the Tempest. But as for the rest of his stuff -- negative. Or take Tennesee Williams: Yeah right, I'll never be Stanley Kowalkski. I'm not exactly the chest beating Polock type, y'know? And this is the kind of thing any EA or Asian guy, or Black guy, or Latino guy is going to experience.
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Post by waywardwolf on Aug 1, 2008 15:53:34 GMT -5
Sorry for the digression, but the Japanese have reason to feel as guilty as any other country in the world, U.S. included. Yeah, I'd agree to this too, Japan certainly wasn't innocent during WW2, but there's a huge difference between government and it's people no matter what sort of government you have. I don't think anyone should drop the bomb, but we really should have hit military targets instead of cities. This on the other hand.. It was a shame the US built only 2 nukes and prematurely launched them against Japan. Oh well, at least everything that was available was used. Well, that just seemed like shock value posting to me. You'd have to be one heartless fool to truly believe something like this.
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Post by ChickenSoda on Aug 1, 2008 16:34:16 GMT -5
I've seen full blooded asians going out with all different kinds of girls. If you're an interesting enough person, it's really not hard to make yourself go beyond the stereotypes in another person's eyes. I think that a lot of people fall into the trap of blaming their own personal failures on things that are out of their control, as opposed to things that they can control- it keeps them from admitting things to themselves that they'd rather not admit. Do stereotypes offend me? Not at all. What annoys me, though, is when people try to use it for humor and fail. I remember this one asian standup comic, she kept on having these punchlines about asian drivers, and being good at math, etc. There's more to racial humor than just being able to "get away with it". This, on the other hand, kills me every time: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptyzc4BQliYit plays off of stereotypes while poking fun at asians' hatred for each other.
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Post by straylight on Aug 1, 2008 19:59:30 GMT -5
Sorry, but f*** that s***. Lets not make this a Politics thread k.
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Post by Phil on Aug 2, 2008 1:02:44 GMT -5
I've seen full blooded asians going out with all different kinds of girls. If you're an interesting enough person, it's really not hard to make yourself go beyond the stereotypes in another person's eyes. I think that a lot of people fall into the trap of blaming their own personal failures on things that are out of their control, as opposed to things that they can control- it keeps them from admitting things to themselves that they'd rather not admit. Do stereotypes offend me? Not at all. What annoys me, though, is when people try to use it for humor and fail. I remember this one asian standup comic, she kept on having these punchlines about asian drivers, and being good at math, etc. There's more to racial humor than just being able to "get away with it". This, on the other hand, kills me every time: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptyzc4BQliYit plays off of stereotypes while poking fun at asians' hatred for each other. www.youtube.com/watch?v=kei2ZdapYa8&feature=userooo ooo this one more appropriate for this thread www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOOzY37DctA
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Post by calikid on Aug 6, 2008 10:36:12 GMT -5
Jackie Chan has turned himself into a clown, what woman, of any race, is going to find that attractive. Personally I see him in roles and cringe, it's embarrassing. Yes, even though that scene was one of the first romantic scenes of him, he is a large joke. I'll add Jet Li as well, for taking that Forbidden Kingdom movie, and having some scrawny ass white boy be the main actor and lover. Thankfully, there are a lot of Asian and Eurasian big stars in Mixed Martial Arts which are becoming household names in the US, which is truly making us proud. As well as baseball stars such as Ichiro Suzuki, Fukodome, Johnny Damon (half Thai), Dasuke Matsuzaka, Matsuia, and Chien Ming Wang to name only a few. Yea I agree, Jacky Chan, Jet Li and Chow Yun Fat are clowns in hollywood. I mean in China Jet Li plays the hero in Fearless, In Hollywood he plays a dogg and character in Romeo Must Die that looks scared to hug Aaliyah. Chow Yun Fat used to be tha man in HK classics like A Better Tmr, then he turn in an asexual mr miyage monk?? Well Jack Chan is actually funny, but my beef is that there is no balance. Like 50% of the roles are either Kung Fu Master that can kicks everyones ass, but cant speak english or get p****. The other 50% is on sum William Hung s*** and just makes Asians look stupid. I can't think of a movie where an Asian actor gets a regular role besides Charlie's Angles and Harold and Kumar. Like ok, whites get stereotyped as NERDS and GEEKS too, lbut for every white nerd in Hitch/ Revenge of the Nerds, you got like Brad Pitt, Clooney, Brosnan, Arnie etc.
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Post by calikid on Aug 6, 2008 10:39:59 GMT -5
I've seen full blooded asians going out with all different kinds of girls. If you're an interesting enough person, it's really not hard to make yourself go beyond the stereotypes in another person's eyes. I think that a lot of people fall into the trap of blaming their own personal failures on things that are out of their control, as opposed to things that they can control- it keeps them from admitting things to themselves that they'd rather not admit. Do stereotypes offend me? Not at all. What annoys me, though, is when people try to use it for humor and fail. I remember this one asian standup comic, she kept on having these punchlines about asian drivers, and being good at math, etc. There's more to racial humor than just being able to "get away with it". This, on the other hand, kills me every time: www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ptyzc4BQliYit plays off of stereotypes while poking fun at asians' hatred for each other. hahha thpse vids are funny. It's not about if you've seen full blooded Asian guys with non-asian girls. think about this: Have you ever seen an Asian-American dude kissing an Asian-American girl (let alone a white girl) on primetime TV or in a blockbuster movie? Jacky Chan in Rush hour?? lol... and Daniel Dae Kim on lost doesnt count, cuz he plays an immigrant. Thats what I mean, like even Asian-Americans who were born n raised and actually dont speak their native language fluent goota play them fob ass roles.
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