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Post by Emily on Dec 6, 2008 15:35:12 GMT -5
^ Ooh... do you do eskrima?
Did you mostly hang out out with EA filipino kids or full Filipino kids too? My whole family would go to Filipino gatherings, and my parents' best friends also happen to be a Filipino mother/white father couple. Hence, my best friend growing up was also EA and while we were part of all the gatherings, we never really hung out with the other kids. Unfortunate, looking back.
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Post by Emily on Dec 6, 2008 17:34:03 GMT -5
Kyu-ree, Same with me, my childhood best friend and I never talked about anything EA. Then again, she leans much much more towards her white side (must be all the issues with her Asian mom vs her white dad who spoilt her ). She didn't really like hanging out with the other flip kids so we just kind of did our own thing. Rightly so, my mom would call me a snob for not wanting to mingle with them. I just followed my best friend because she was older and cooler. Frankly, I'd probably have grown up more in touch with my Filipino side were it not for her. But hey, maybe that's why we gravitated to each other - maybe I didn't really feel 100% comfortable with the other kids. I don't blame her though. I owe many great childhood/early teenage memories to her. None of them involved our filipino/white heritage or general EA stuff, but that's alright. I know several EA people IRL, and we've never discussed anything EA, except with this girl from uni a few weeks ago.
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Post by toyomansi on Dec 7, 2008 5:53:17 GMT -5
^ Ooh... do you do eskrima? Did you mostly hang out out with EA filipino kids or full Filipino kids too? My whole family would go to Filipino gatherings, and my parents' best friends also happen to be a Filipino mother/white father couple. Hence, my best friend growing up was also EA and while we were part of all the gatherings, we never really hung out with the other kids. Unfortunate, looking back. lol, yeah I did eskrima for about 5-6 months, before moving to Oslo... I wanted to continue it here, but never got around to it. We were a very small class, only me and to afghani boys in the end, and they and the (Norwegian) teacher complimented on my skills saying it was because I'm Filipina hehe... Actually, there were very few full Filipino kids living in our area when I was growing up, because almost all of the Filipinos were women married to Norwegian men But the few full Filipino kids there were just as much part of our group of friends, we didn't care at all whether someone was full or half Cause we would still have so much in common. But on the other side, any Norwegian kids would be seen a bit as "outsiders", but only because they lived a different culture and upbringing than us (kids of Filipinos). But me and my EA friends have never talked about "EA experiences", other than just about ehtnic foods, language, trips to the Philippines and such... Kyu-ree: I know what you mean, I also tend to be biased towards Pinoys in the Philippines rather than overseas ones... Don't really know why, maybe because they are more "authentic"?
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Post by bus***do on Jan 3, 2009 8:16:37 GMT -5
poor paddy, there are Man-chus who can speak their Mongol tongue, like those who fled along w/ the rest of KMT supporters onto TaiWan. poor subuatai, '...heart....' blah,blah,...just because there's no more pure Mongol tribe left , so you justify by using 'heart is more important than blood.'-tag line
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Post by Subuatai on Jan 3, 2009 8:58:12 GMT -5
And since when was 'purity' ever heavily debated amongst Mongols? If that was the case we would have abandoned our cousins all across the freakin world in which we have not unless they have proven their own loyalty not of our people.
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Post by bus***do on Jan 10, 2009 6:30:49 GMT -5
alright then, gotcha. but pls explain why most of ur cousins have predominant Mongol facial appearances, that r\this mean that caucasian lookin ones, doesn't have loyalty as the former ,..And remember this as well, there are no pure 'Han'Chinese as well, even Manchus r mixed w/ Han and other southern tribes-sinizied.
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Post by Subuatai on Jan 10, 2009 6:56:14 GMT -5
First of all, know that not all from the Tungid race were Mongols (More then half of Mongolic tribes themselves are Turkic sure, but still distinct, identity founded only in the 13th century). Also Eskimos, Siberians, Ancient Turks, they are their own people,
Genocide, ethnocide, and assimilation in some parts, then minority crisis on the other, and lack of education. You have noticed too that the Manchus after a few generations on the Chinese throne wanted to prove to the Hans that they were more "Chinese" then even Han Chinese themselves. So yes, people do have a tendency to be products of their environments. Nomads were always few compared to sedentary people. Always a minority, always outnumbered, even if leading a nation.
For the non-natural imposements, in the case of Turkistan or Russia, Turkistan was weakened by the Dzungar Mongol invasions and became colonised by Russians and educational, cultural, linguistical and even NAMING systems were revised to destroy their identity and pride. Kalmyk Mongols fared better then the Kazakhs in some views, though still genocided twice (once by Mongols/Manchus then by Russians). Kazakhs... well, people are individuals in the end, but many currently worship Russia, and hate other Turks not to mention Mongols.
I don't know why Kalmyks (Dzungar descendants, not Kazakh) stayed strong despite arguably having the worst of treatments. But, I do know that nowadays it's become harder because Kalmyks are having a much easier and sedentary life compared to the struggles of our ancestors to survive years before. So maybe, the violence in our own history played a part to keep us fighting.
The only slavic nations that never discriminated against Mongols or Turks or any "Tungids" or "Turanids" (yeah funny classifications), were Poland, and Lithuania. Mostly due to the fact that the Poles and Lithuanians needed us to help butt kick the Teutonic Knights for them heh. Which we did and are honored as such. Russia... meh. They were very nice to Mongolians, but not Mongols inside their borders, and there wasn't traditionally any form of a uniting system amongst nomads.
The Russians used this to their advantage. Here the old nomad saying, which is quite sad... "I against my brother, my brother and I against my cousin, my brother my cousin and I against the world". Wolves challenge each for 'pack leader', and the wolf is our spiritual animal. So, yeah, thats one problem of steppe culture.
Hazara Mongols are very proud, very fierce, very warlike because they live in a wartorn country. Yet, they still upheld the pride and culture very fanatically. Even though they are Muslim now, they believe in racial tolerance, religious tolerance, harmony with nature, and ancient nomadic morality. So it is very possible that all this is due to this fact: "Adversity breeds strength and purpose, complacency weakens and conciles it"
When conquering nations the steppe empires differed completely to the West however, that much is true. The population, their language, religion, culture, all always preserved. We saw each other as humans. The West however, consider anyone not of their own inhuman, thus language, religion, culture, people were always ethnocided and genocided against. Just how it works. Some do argue that we should have adopted the Western ways of genocide but, personally that will be self-genocide and destroy what makes us who were are - to become just like our enemies.
Racial, religious, cultural, environmental, spiritual, harmony and tolerance. That's what we should represent, it's difficult sure, but -> if we are to a dead race, I want us to be remembered in that light.
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Post by ethan9273 on Jan 12, 2009 19:05:42 GMT -5
I curious for the 3 votes on asian dad, if the dad's themselves were more culturally asian or not.
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Post by ethan9273 on Feb 9, 2009 16:32:55 GMT -5
how does that influence your preferences for culture/relationships today? Did you grow up in the states/Europe/Asia?
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Post by amalgam on Feb 9, 2009 23:23:25 GMT -5
I would say my mother influenced culture to me more than my father because European culture came to me naturally, being born and raised in Australia.
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