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Post by buff on Dec 27, 2008 16:14:31 GMT -5
buff: Correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I understand of the gospels: It wasn't the beating and torture itself that actually killed Jesus, but the spear that was stabbed on his side while he was already hanging on the cross (" the spear of destiny"), 'di ba? Wrong, the spear was used by the Roman soldier to check if he's already dead - like if he'd feel something when stabbed.
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Post by dipsydoodle on Dec 27, 2008 16:51:04 GMT -5
That's the point of it though. To show that Jesus suffered for the sins of humanity. How can anyone suffer for the sins of humanity? The very idea is ridiculous. You commit the crime, you face the consequences. The idea that some dickhead could rape and murder, say, my daughter and Jesus pays for his sin?? NO! I want the guy who did it to pay for it. That Jesus would intercede for the guy who did it is immoral on his part. My response to him is, "Stay out of it! This does not involve you." Moreover, as a reasonbly moral human being I DON'T WANT Jesus to pay for my sins. I committed them, I'll pay for them, thank you. If Jesus took it upon himself to pay for them, tough s***, then, I don't owe him anything. I didn't ask him to and I don't want him to. Nobody with an ounce morality in them could possibly rejoice at an innocent man paying for what they did. How can people be moral if they don't have to pay for what they've done? This scheme of salvation was invented by a lunatic.
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Post by blunthammer on Dec 27, 2008 18:03:06 GMT -5
Haha, I take it your agnostic or atheist Don't worry I'm likely to feel the same way, I got your back That's the point of it though. To show that Jesus suffered for the sins of humanity. How can anyone suffer for the sins of humanity? The very idea is ridiculous. You commit the crime, you face the consequences. The idea that some dickhead could rape and murder, say, my daughter and Jesus pays for his sin?? NO! I want the guy who did it to pay for it. That Jesus would intercede for the guy who did it is immoral on his part. My response to him is, "Stay out of it! This does not involve you." Moreover, as a reasonbly moral human being I DON'T WANT Jesus to pay for my sins. I committed them, I'll pay for them, thank you. If Jesus took it upon himself to pay for them, tough sh*t, then, I don't owe him anything. I didn't ask him to and I don't want him to. Nobody with an ounce morality in them could possibly rejoice at an innocent man paying for what they did. How can people be moral if they don't have to pay for what they've done? This scheme of salvation was invented by a lunatic.
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Post by dipsydoodle on Dec 27, 2008 20:23:46 GMT -5
You can call atheist or agnostic but that's why The Passion bothers me all the more. Laying on all that violence to show how he suffered for me? Please! I know damned well when all is said and done that I still have to pay for my crimes or sins or indiscretions--whatever you want to call them. It is ludicrous to think anybody--no matter who it is--could pay for my actions as though it was a pecuniary debt. It doesn't work like that. So to watch a movie of somebody being tortured is just gratuitous, it's sick entertainment and if this person was being tortured for me that's all the more that I don't want to watch it. I've never done anything that anybody would need to be punished like that. So whose sins is he paying for? Murderers, rapists, pedophiles, thieves, corporate marauders, nasty, rotten people in general--the very types who have no guilt of letting an innocent person suffer for their crimes. So if it's all the same to you, I don't want to share heaven with those people. I've already had to share the earth with them and I don't like it much. It would be a much nicer earth without them. So why should they be allowed to pollute heaven? I thought that was that hell was for--people like them.
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Post by buff on Dec 29, 2008 8:50:39 GMT -5
So if it's all the same to you, I don't want to share heaven with those people. I've already had to share the earth with them and I don't like it much. It would be a much nicer earth without them. So why should they be allowed to pollute heaven? I thought that was that hell was for--people like them. excuse moi, now you believe in heaven ?
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Post by patrick on Dec 29, 2008 23:47:06 GMT -5
Exactly... If they are willing to show a man tortured to death who is an apparent religious figure..why not do another showing some guy having the same fate in Saddam's prison cells? You can call atheist or agnostic but that's why The Passion bothers me all the more. Laying on all that violence to show how he suffered for me? Please! I know damned well when all is said and done that I still have to pay for my crimes or sins or indiscretions--whatever you want to call them. It is ludicrous to think anybody--no matter who it is--could pay for my actions as though it was a pecuniary debt. It doesn't work like that. So to watch a movie of somebody being tortured is just gratuitous, it's sick entertainment and if this person was being tortured for me that's all the more that I don't want to watch it. I've never done anything that anybody would need to be punished like that. So whose sins is he paying for? Murderers, rapists, pedophiles, thieves, corporate marauders, nasty, rotten people in general--the very types who have no guilt of letting an innocent person suffer for their crimes. So if it's all the same to you, I don't want to share heaven with those people. I've already had to share the earth with them and I don't like it much. It would be a much nicer earth without them. So why should they be allowed to pollute heaven? I thought that was that hell was for--people like them.
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