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Post by asianwhite on Jan 30, 2009 15:53:13 GMT -5
Religion is for the weak. If anyone on here is religious give me one good reason why you are?
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Post by asianwhite on Jan 31, 2009 10:48:11 GMT -5
This is what you would consider an actual religion or a philosophy because it sounds more like a philosophy than a religion/cult It's not intended as a get-rich-quick type religion although I've given those some thought. The problem is, I have a conscience--a pathetically paltry one to be sure but it's there. I just can't bring myself to do the things these idiots do to make money. I can't beg. I have too much pride. I can't sell people worthless crap knowing that it's just worthless crap--prayer hankies, little vials of blessed water, vitamins, etc. I can't bring myself to ask people to mail me their problems along with money and I'll pray for them. I can't bear to see sick or disabled people coming to me for help when I know I'm the biggest phony that ever walked the earth. I can't even ask for simple donations. I do not beg. I can understand when public radio or something does it because they get no federal funding and people complain about their programming but admit that they don't donate--so those who donate get their programming and if you don't donate then don't complain. That's okay. But donating to me because people think I'm some holy bigshot doesn't work for me. It's not a feel-good religion but it is the truth. It ain't pretty but its castor oil for the soul. Cleans you right out but be careful what you wish for.
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Post by halfbreed on Jan 31, 2009 12:00:30 GMT -5
Really inappropriate language and manner in general, Stray. Ills cannot be solved by adding to them.
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Post by admin on Jan 31, 2009 12:29:23 GMT -5
The most effective option is to simply ignore troll posts (yes, even regular users can drop one of these lovelies now and then) - they're just looking to rile people up. By the way, how long until we start talking about Hitler?
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Post by halfbreed on Jan 31, 2009 12:31:39 GMT -5
In this case, the means will not justify the end.
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Post by Kush on Jan 31, 2009 14:19:25 GMT -5
So stray, why are you religious?
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Post by betahat on Jan 31, 2009 21:47:17 GMT -5
With absolutely no figures to back me up, I would say that a majority of people are religious (1) because their parents (or country/society in general) are religious and they were raised with a religion. Then there is a much smaller share(2) that are religious because of deeply personal experiences (often the case with famous converts like Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam and many born-agains). These don't have to be visions or drowning incidents or miracles but just the loss of a loved one or something that leads you to seek meaning beyond this world. Finally, there are a very few (3) who think that there is some philosophical/logical/empirical basis for their religious beliefs, so that to ask "why are you religious" is like asking "does the sun rise every morning?" I only feel sorry for the last group. I will also be the first to admit that reasons (1), (2) and (3) also apply to non-believers, and I am certainly guilty of (1 - both parents non-believers) and (3). (3) is very common among non-believers, and the sense of smug superiority that you are right about the nature of the universe is certainly something to recommend non-belief to anyone - it is our own compensation for the fact that we don't believe we'll get into heaven.
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Post by asianwhite on Jan 31, 2009 23:02:13 GMT -5
Woah WoAH WOAH man simma the hell down there now! See a doctor or some sh*t you sound like you need a chill pill. Damn my boy you sound like you are into some scat/fisting porn sh*t..and what's more troubling is you are very young to be into that plus smoking cigarettes as shown on your avatar. You need to look at life differently and go to school. Cigs will kill you dude I had a good friend who had to have lung surgery cause of that crap. But ya..I was simply asking why religious people are religious. No need to get rilled up making out to be like your the Predator from that Schwarzeneggar movie. You said you were weak which means you probably aren't religious now so you didn't have to respond to my post. Religion is for the weak. If anyone on here is religious give me one good reason why you are? I dunno. I'm probably strong enough to fistf**k your ass, non-quezy enough to grab your own sh*t with my bare hands, and then shove it down your throat. Eh.. Is that what you wanted or something? Some pointless internet fight? Lets post pictures of our cocks too while we're at it.
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Post by rob on Feb 1, 2009 3:13:14 GMT -5
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Post by Kush on Feb 1, 2009 6:28:37 GMT -5
With absolutely no figures to back me up, I would say that a majority of people are religious (1) because their parents (or country/society in general) are religious and they were raised with a religion. Then there is a much smaller share(2) that are religious because of deeply personal experiences (often the case with famous converts like Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam and many born-agains). These don't have to be visions or drowning incidents or miracles but just the loss of a loved one or something that leads you to seek meaning beyond this world. Finally, there are a very few (3) who think that there is some philosophical/logical/empirical basis for their religious beliefs, so that to ask "why are you religious" is like asking "does the sun rise every morning?" I only feel sorry for the last group. I will also be the first to admit that reasons (1), (2) and (3) also apply to non-believers, and I am certainly guilty of (1 - both parents non-believers) and (3). (3) is very common among non-believers, and the sense of smug superiority that you are right about the nature of the universe is certainly something to recommend non-belief to anyone - it is our own compensation for the fact that we don't believe we'll get into heaven. I'd agree with that. One thing is for sure, I've never seen anyone born religious.
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Post by blunthammer on Feb 1, 2009 11:45:12 GMT -5
Yup exactly, people are all born atheists.
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Post by palaver on Feb 1, 2009 14:58:47 GMT -5
Yup exactly, people are all born atheists. In same way we were all born virgins. The only thing most people take away from religion is all to do about sex, the immediate implications and answers to creation: Just what kind of roll in hay did it take to pop out mankind and the universe? "A little philosophy inclineth man's mind to atheism, but a little depth in philosophy bringeth man's mind about to religion." -Francis Bacon
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Post by betahat on Feb 1, 2009 15:41:59 GMT -5
I would distinguish between belief in a particular religion with a specific cosmology, moral rules, etc. and some of the more general beliefs common to all religions. The former are obviously completely driven by socialization (Mowgli from the jungle book would probably not have come up with the guy born of a virgin sent on a suicide mission by his father who then rose from the grave) while the latter probably do have some basis in universal psychological experience (which may have some evolutionary correlates) or some ontological attractiveness (even scientists believe in a first mover of sorts).
I'm going to have to disagree with Stray and betray my philosophical shallowness here and say that Marx, Freud and the nexus between sociologists and psychologists have a lot more to say about "why" people are religious then Kant. That said, I've stated many times that I find the likes of Dawkins, Sam Harris, etc. too glib for my taste. Even my hero Bertrand Russell was not particularly informative in his critique of religion. I think the study of "transitions" into and out of different sets of religious beliefs is the most interesting area of the study and the one most likely to lead to greater understanding of why people are religious or not, but that betrays my obvious bias as an economist towards empiricism. Now if only we could move the study of religion from an observational science to an experimental one...
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Post by betahat on Feb 1, 2009 23:10:21 GMT -5
I thought the question was "why are some people religious or not" and not "is there a God." I find the former question more interesting since it at least appears to be answerable in general terms. The type of "religion" that is defended by Kant and other philosophers (excluding the scholastic philosophers like Anselm or Aquinas or Maimonides, etc.) is so abstract and divorced from most religious people's actual experience, practice, and beliefs that most believers probably wouldn't recognize it. Well, maybe the Unitarian types and the Deist-type founding fathers.
Getting back to actual religion, how about that Pope letting Bishop Williamson (unrepentant holocaust denier) back into the fold? Along with the resumption of Latin Mass and the planned beatification of Pius XII, Pope Benedict (i.e. the German Pope and former Panzerkardinal) seems to setting back Catholic-Jewish relations a few decades. Any of the Catholics around here have any thoughts on this?
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Post by blunthammer on Feb 2, 2009 11:20:38 GMT -5
Yup that too... It always boggled me though as to why procreation was such a focused subject in most of the major religious sects. Yup exactly, people are all born atheists. In same way we were all born virgins. The only thing most people take away from religion is all to do about sex, the immediate implications and answers to creation: Just what kind of roll in hay did it take to pop out mankind and the universe? "A little philosophy inclineth man's mind to atheism, but a little depth in philosophy bringeth man's mind about to religion." -Francis Bacon
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