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Post by halfbreed on Jun 12, 2009 23:40:23 GMT -5
What are your thoughts on the death penalty and life sentence? Is it right for people to be able to decide the course of another person's life? (If so, to what extent?) Is the death penalty too severe? What makes a person deserve death? Is there an alternative? What should be given instead? Is life in prison better or worse than the death penalty? Do you agree with either of them?
Death penalty. Life sentence. Discuss.
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Post by meep on Jun 13, 2009 0:55:52 GMT -5
I don't think death penalties solve anything. Given that the purpose is to make the person guilty of a crime pay for the consequences, then how does putting the person to death do anything in terms of paying for his/her own actions? Nothing, because the person is dead.
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Post by meep on Jun 13, 2009 0:56:50 GMT -5
Oh, and I don't agree with any of the options in the poll, either.
And perhaps heavy punishment by being in gaol for life, allowing for the prisoner to think over the actions, community service and etc. I don't know, something to make the person pay and reform.
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Post by meep on Jun 13, 2009 1:07:47 GMT -5
Ok I just chose the one that is: Its necessary to deter heinous crimes... but what I mean is, I don't think it can be achieved through the death penalty, as the death penalty is counter productive...
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Post by halfbreed on Jun 13, 2009 3:15:47 GMT -5
Oh, and I don't agree with any of the options in the poll, either. I suppose I should've put some kind of 'other' option.. And perhaps heavy punishment by being in gaol for life, allowing for the prisoner to think over the actions, community service and etc. I don't know, something to make the person pay and reform. What's the point of reformation, though, if they'll never be released back into society?  |
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Post by meep on Jun 13, 2009 3:20:12 GMT -5
I guess self reformation, or reformation for the potential of returning to society?
My main point is that the death sentence is useless...
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Post by halfbreed on Jun 13, 2009 3:32:55 GMT -5
If you're talking about using it as a means of paying for actions, perhaps it's useless. It's not constructive punishment when they can't show what they've learned. But some may see it as a way of protecting society/preventing further disasters (e.g. putting out a serial killer).
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Post by meep on Jun 13, 2009 4:03:58 GMT -5
Yes I can see that, that's why I chose the 'its necessary to deter heinous crimes'... but I don't think its the best way.
Anyway, what's your take on it halfbreed?
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Post by halfbreed on Jun 13, 2009 4:25:25 GMT -5
I think both are really horrible. As many know, in Singapore, you'll be hanged if you're found with drugs. I imagined what would happen if someone planted them in my house there. If I called the police to alert them, maybe they'd suspect and hang me- which is totally disconcerting.  I'm worried about people being wrongly charged, because death is pretty severe! I'm still working out whether or not I think any are deserving of these punishments. Even if I felt that someone did deserve to die, I'm not sure I would think it's up to anyone else to make it happen. Just because we have different positions in life, does it make those higher able to justifiably dictate, and even kill, the lower? As well as the innocents, there are the one-timers; the people who made a very bad mistake. Should they die if it was only a one-time thing and they'll never do it again? I don't like life in prison. I think it's torture to lock someone in a cell their whole life and remove all hope. I heard hope was the most important thing in life. If you don't/can't have it, it's a pretty miserable existence... I think it's just as bad as the death sentence, maybe even worse. There are probably people out there who really do need to be kept away from society, but I'm not sure if it's worth the risk of convicting innocents. These things completely ruin someone's life... |
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Post by Subuatai on Jun 13, 2009 6:30:40 GMT -5
Meh, human trash is trash, just wipe them out. Life sentences costs us tax money!!!
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Post by halfbreed on Jun 13, 2009 8:15:51 GMT -5
^ How do you define 'human trash'? Are people born that way, or do they become it? Can they un-become it?
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Post by Subuatai on Jun 13, 2009 8:41:08 GMT -5
NO ONE is BORN human trash, I despise that mentality and anyone who believes it are human trash themselves. Yes people become it, and yes they can un-become it.
But there are certain crimes that once committed where there should be minimal leniency. Some people do not wish to change, they do not wish to help themselves, and you can't help such people. They need to be cleaned.
For example, in my youth my first girlfriend told me she was raped at 14, her adopted father who was a biker killed the f-ckwit and he did it well. In a few years, he was arrested and sentenced to 20 years. But that was true justice what he did, my ex moved on from it very well, MANY rape victims don't.
People call her dad "murderer", but I knew him, he was a good man, a good father even though his daughter isn't even his. Before I left W.A., they both told me they regret nothing. I believe that there is a difference between Law and Chaos, and Good and Evil.
How can I see a rapist as a human being? I can't, I've counselled too many rape victims and victims of pedophilia in my life on the streets, the rapists have no idea what they have done to them. Close of friend of mine killed herself too after a gangrape, and she was a real good friend who had dreams and a future.
The legal system is not effective, but that's life. Dark world I grew up in, still remember it, and as such, my conscience is a little 'weird' compared to others who have never experienced life on the streets. But that's past, I have my views today, but no power in which to execute it. Just want a peaceful life now, that's all.
Still, human trash -> should be disposed off to feed mother earth 6 feet under. Only good they possibly capable of to the planet, nothing else. Bah!
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Post by halfbreed on Jun 13, 2009 9:14:37 GMT -5
So, would you say human trash are people who hurt other people?
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Post by palaver on Jun 13, 2009 9:20:22 GMT -5
^^My friend is doing a life sentence in China for a political crime. You owe him an apology right now! Calling him human trash... I hope you know that his organs are perfectly viable for the western market!!! For my position regarding the taking of human life, I will quote from the world's most tolerant religion: 2 Tim. 2:19 The Lord knoweth them that are his. Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnoset. [/sarcasm] |
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Post by Subuatai on Jun 13, 2009 9:34:28 GMT -5
Everyone ends up hurting other people one way or another, that's obvious, none of us are saints, that's plain facts. But for me there comes a time when the line is crossed, and when there is no desire for the victimiser to change or to acknowledge that they have done wrong; and that's the trigger, what comes next, SHOULD be a bullet.
Sometimes what the victimiser does is so f--ked that it leaves the victim struggling throughout life to solve the internal issue within themselves. NO ONE should have to go through that sh-t.
I guess I'm still emotionally scarred from the experiences I had during my youth and the people I've met. Especially that friend I mentioned, that broke my heart real deeply what happened to her. I knew her for 2 years, she was a top girl, a good friend, and she killed herself. As for what happened to those guys who performed the deed, I'd rather not talk about.
Ne way a counsellor once said something like "You know the fact that no one are saints, but you have to understand rapists and pedophiles have their own issues to deal with", but what I replied was "WTF?! Are you saying you let these people go free from such deeds? That we should forgive them and accept them if they can't be changed? So that they can continue to destroy lives as they see fit?!" His answer was politically correct, but did not solve the issue, he just said "they are also human like the rest of us".
Hence I left counselling, both as a counsellor and also a "patient" with my own past to deal with, not just because of the law that encourages the usage of druggings with patients, but this. I guess I just can't let go of what happened to my friend, nor can I end my deep hatred against human trash, which they themselves have BOUGHT.
These streets of the modern world is heavily littered, someone has to clean it. But we can't do it effectively if there are such things as "human rights for rapists and pedophiles" for example. But that's just my view, I am a law-abiding citizen now, my voice means sh-t when it's not backed up with cash and if it is I'm going to jail but I have a daughter due next month so NO WAY am I going to do anything to support my views.
I just hope some people understand that the legal system has to be improved, sure nothing is flawless, but currently, it's so f--king pathetic it saddens me justice is rarely served.
@palaver
Pffft, political crime, that's so bullsh-t and even proves that there is a distinction between Law and Chaos, and Good and Evil. Everyone also knows about Tuanaman Square and the tanks just ran over them. P.R.C. has their own issues.
Even my people protesting to free Inner-Mongolia from P.R.C. occupation were dealt with by force and a patriot was imprisoned. Somes Chaos and Good go together, and Law and Evil go together as well.
What we should aim for is the opposite, Law and Good, Chaos and Evil, not the other way 'round that is the way of the world in many cases. But hey, maybe I'm voicing myself to those who have never seen the darker aspects of today's world, it makes me sick.
Ignorance... is bliss, even wished for a memory wipe once, still do sometimes.
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I'm worried about people being wrongly charged, because death is pretty severe! I'm still working out whether or not I think any are deserving of these punishments. Even if I felt that someone did deserve to die, I'm not sure I would think it's up to anyone else to make it happen. Just because we have different positions in life, does it make those higher able to justifiably dictate, and even kill, the lower? As well as the innocents, there are the one-timers; the people who made a very bad mistake. Should they die if it was only a one-time thing and they'll never do it again? 
