Mr Brad Pitt
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Post by Mr Brad Pitt on Dec 13, 2007 0:03:28 GMT -5
In a sense, we already have some universal mankind laws... not universal actually, but heavily generalized, like "don't fu.ck with your children". Or, nowadays, "don't kill".
The flaw is here: it's not really universal. Enjoy your incest and murders.
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Post by long on Dec 13, 2007 0:17:04 GMT -5
Well said. If we could just pin down that 'no killing' thing the world would be a much friendlier place to hang out.
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Post by xandra on Dec 13, 2007 1:24:57 GMT -5
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Post by long on Dec 13, 2007 4:36:26 GMT -5
Do you not believe that every empire has its skeletons?
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Post by marshmallow on Dec 13, 2007 6:37:19 GMT -5
^ you really need to read up on your history, did you know the golden age of the jews came under Muslim rule in Spain? where they enjoyed rights and priveleges that they had not witnessed under christian rule where they were persecuted... when the muslims first arrived there were no openly professing jews When the Muslim rule in Spain ended: "Upon leaving Spain and later Portugal, a large number of Sephardim settled in the Ottoman Empire (Turkey and the Balkan countries) and others went to North Africa, the Middle East (including Palestine) and to Italy. The Ottoman Empire welcomed the Sephardim and permitted them to practice their faith openly." home.earthlink.net/~etzahaim/sphist.html
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Post by marshmallow on Dec 13, 2007 6:41:28 GMT -5
and to the original post...honour killings are in now way Islamic!
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Post by Mr Brad Pitt on Dec 13, 2007 8:37:04 GMT -5
^ you really need to read up on your history, did you know the golden age of the jews came under Muslim rule in Spain? where they enjoyed rights and priveleges that they had not witnessed under christian rule where they were persecuted... They were not persecuted, but they were not considered as normal and respectable citizen either.
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Post by juancarlos on Dec 13, 2007 8:46:33 GMT -5
I don't think we need to assume that it was pleasant for this man to kill his child - chances are it was the hardest most painful thing he ever had to do, and he'll probably never fully recover from it. I'm certainly not defending it. The Christians have a story about murdering your child for God too (you've probably heard of it, it's famous). About the Christian story, did the murder really take place?
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Post by cruelangel on Dec 13, 2007 9:31:34 GMT -5
This actually happened not to far away from where I live. And from what I've herd it has a whole lot less to do with a religion, than him being an enraged father at the time. She in fact never wore a hijab for her entire high school life, and that was fine. As for the article citing her wanted to dress normally, if that meant dressing like a hood rat, well I guess that counts for normal in Mississauga. She ran away from home with her boyfriend before, and was brought back home without any major problems. This particular instance word got around that she was pregnant (and in brown families that doesn't go down too well especially at 16 heck at 30 it still won't be looked highly upon if your not married), so dad gets her home once more and he beats her. (common in brown families, heck common in a lot of cultures) She ends up sustaining major injuries, and her father calls the hospital to come, and she ends up dying. Not saying what he did was right, I'm just saying the media is really playing up this head scarf thing. It had nothing to do with her not wearing a head scarf and more to do with her actions as a teenager. I bet we can find hundreds of cases of families killing their daughters over allegations of being pregnant, but you never hear much about those stories, but if you can somehow make it sound that dad kills daughter over a piece of clothing and throw out the part about a possibly pregnancy it makes prime time news.
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Post by cruelangel on Dec 13, 2007 9:46:53 GMT -5
I don't think we need to assume that it was pleasant for this man to kill his child - chances are it was the hardest most painful thing he ever had to do, and he'll probably never fully recover from it. I'm certainly not defending it. The Christians have a story about murdering your child for God too (you've probably heard of it, it's famous). About the Christian story, did the murder really take place? Well, if the police had caught him right before that goat showed up, I think the courts would have had enough to get him on intent. And what would his defense be?? God told me to do it?? Sure buddy, God told you to do it...
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Post by elle on Dec 13, 2007 9:56:01 GMT -5
^um are you sure what you are saying is in fact the truth and not some rumours as well? despite being close to the sourceyourself, you have to realise that a newspaper cannot afford to make errors momentously out of proportion on this topic. and if what you are saying is true, it's not even an error so much as a complete lie.
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Post by elle on Dec 13, 2007 9:56:29 GMT -5
then again it is the media. i think we all have to question what we read these days. god the media is rubbish.
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Post by cruelangel on Dec 13, 2007 10:22:18 GMT -5
^ Its the media of course they lie. The story goes down so much easier if the story is just as long as the headline. Muslim extremist father kills daughter for not wearing headscarf. Basically thats it, it doesn't even matter how long the articles they write are, thats all they they are pushing. So if you deviate further from that, the story is less to do with religious fanaticism (what they are trying to sell you) than a case of domestic abuse (which it is) then your asking the people to think about something (which they don't want you to do). Sure cultural factors come into play, but it's the same cultural factors most immigrant families struggle with when coming to a foreign country. But see that story is too complicated, and most people won't understand it, other than immigrants. But feed the people a story that goes down easy and your job as a "reporter" is done. Just watch this and tell me if you'll ever listen to the media again.. youtube.com/watch?v=zagHPxxO0X8
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Post by ladystacey on Dec 13, 2007 12:47:42 GMT -5
I saw a interview on t.v with a family member and they said it had nothing to do with her not wanting to wear her hijab it was about her boyfriend. Her father just found out she had a boyfriend and went into a rage, I think the media is trying to spin it into a joke showing Muslims in a bad light over a hijab what a shame.
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cm
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Post by cm on Dec 13, 2007 13:00:37 GMT -5
It's kinda obvious when all of the photos posted of her, she never wore one.
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