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Post by Mr Brad Pitt on Jan 18, 2008 17:51:58 GMT -5
You should precise whether you're looking for an english teacher job or not ;D
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Post by EA Observer on Jan 18, 2008 17:54:42 GMT -5
^ I certainly could teach English, but it wouldn't be my first choice.
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Post by Mr Brad Pitt on Jan 18, 2008 17:57:41 GMT -5
In that case, I'm interested by feedbacks too.
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Post by yongfook on Jan 18, 2008 21:20:28 GMT -5
Anyone who recently worked or is now working in South Korea, I'd like to hear of their experiences - especially as "foreigners", as all non-ethnic Koreans are commonly referred to there - you know, mainly stuffs like the pays, hours, and working conditions. what a stupidly broad question. Pay, hours and working conditions are not defined by the country. Ask about a certain industry within a certain city in that industry, then you might be asking a sensible question. |
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Post by Mr Brad Pitt on Jan 19, 2008 3:05:07 GMT -5
Pay, hours and working conditions are not defined by the country. They are. |
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Post by yongfook on Jan 19, 2008 3:30:37 GMT -5
Pay, hours and working conditions are not defined by the country. They are. Ugh. If you want to generalise, fine. The real world, unfortunately, is not so simple. Saying "China pays less than S. Korea" or "Singapore pays more than Malaysia" are utterly value-less comments. They say nothing about the industry or the skill set / experience of the candidate or the region - these all have a massive impact on salary. So which pays more? China or Korea? Uh...Korea, right? I mean, China is still a developing country! People live on the streets! Wrong. It all depends on what the hell you are talking about. Example 1: A specialist in international copyright law working with a particular U.S. law firm in China can make more there than in the same position in S. Korea, because China is where the firm's Asia headquarters are. Example 2: An "English teacher" with no teaching qualifications or experience can expect to be paid less in China than in Korea because of a lack of regulation, no unions in place, and high turnover and ability of labour. See how specifics affected that? So if you ask the person in example 1 and example 2 "so which country pays more?" they are either going to give you two completely different answers, or say that, NEWS FLASH, IT DEPENDS ON THE INDUSTRY AND THE INDIVIDUAL.  |
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Post by Mr Brad Pitt on Jan 19, 2008 3:45:49 GMT -5
Where did EA Observer say he wanted to compare Korea with another country?
Just generalise from law.
"In Korea the minimum salary is ...₩, there is/is no maximum legal time for working, usually managers are paid no less than ...₩, there are specific convention you should know about that are...", etc.
That will be a first satisfying step.
Then one can speak about a specific domain if he can...
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Post by yongfook on Jan 19, 2008 4:09:36 GMT -5
Where did EA Observer say he wanted to compare Korea with another country? Just generalise from law. "In Korea the minimum salary is ...₩, there is/is no maximum legal time for working, usually managers are paid no less than ...₩, there are specific convention you should know about that are...", etc. That will be a first satisfying step. Then one can speak about a specific domain if he can... your English is almost incomprehensible. EA Observer asked about pay and working conditions within a certain country - my point is, this is meaningless without specifying further what kind of job you are looking for, what region, and even better your experience level and skillset (e.g. does he even speak Korean or read Hangul?). My point about comparing two countries was saying that if you use merely the country as a yardstick for pay, you'll never get an accurate answer. |
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Post by EA Observer on Jan 19, 2008 7:59:38 GMT -5
Anyone who recently worked or is now working in South Korea, I'd like to hear of their experiences - especially as "foreigners", as all non-ethnic Koreans are commonly referred to there - you know, mainly stuffs like the pays, hours, and working conditions. what a stupidly broad question. Pay, hours and working conditions are not defined by the country. Ask about a certain industry within a certain city in that industry, then you might be asking a sensible question. I simply wanted to hear personal experiences of working in Korea from those who have, without getting too technical. A respondent could say, "I worked as a so-and-so in Seoul for Y years and my starting pay was W won. I worked an average of H hours for D days per week. My overall work and life experience there were bla-bla-bla... I would/would not do it over again if I had another chance to go and work there because yak-yak-yak...". |
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Post by yongfook on Jan 19, 2008 8:06:40 GMT -5
what a stupidly broad question. Pay, hours and working conditions are not defined by the country. Ask about a certain industry within a certain city in that industry, then you might be asking a sensible question. I simply wanted to hear personal experiences of working in Korea from those who have, without getting too technical. A respondent could say, "I worked as a so-and-so in Seoul for Y years and my starting pay was W won. I worked an average of H hours for D days per week. My overall work and life experience there were bla-bla-bla... I would/would not do it over again if I had another chance to go and work there because yak-yak-yak...". doing what?? why are you approaching this so generically? do you know what kind of job you are looking for or not? If not, I suggest that is the first question you seek to answer before you start thinking about money and conditions. |
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Post by Mr Brad Pitt on Jan 19, 2008 8:47:16 GMT -5
your English is almost incomprehensible. Fortunately that's not my mother tongue, otherwise I'd have been upset. EA Observer asked about pay and working conditions within a certain country - my point is, this is meaningless without specifying further what kind of job you are looking for, what region, and even better your experience level and skillset (e.g. does he even speak Korean or read Hangul?). My point about comparing two countries was saying that if you use merely the country as a yardstick for pay, you'll never get an accurate answer. You just put a large emphasis on the comparison between two countries, which is irrelevant in regard to EA Observer's question. Or maybe you didn't express yourself appropriately. |
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Post by yongfook on Jan 19, 2008 9:16:37 GMT -5
your English is almost incomprehensible. Fortunately that's not my mother tongue, otherwise I'd have been upset. EA Observer asked about pay and working conditions within a certain country - my point is, this is meaningless without specifying further what kind of job you are looking for, what region, and even better your experience level and skillset (e.g. does he even speak Korean or read Hangul?). My point about comparing two countries was saying that if you use merely the country as a yardstick for pay, you'll never get an accurate answer. You just put a large emphasis on the comparison between two countries, which is irrelevant in regard to EA Observer's question. Or maybe you didn't express yourself appropriately. Nope, he's just asking a pointless question. Have either of you actually had a job before? What about a job in another country? Asking "what is the salary like in Korea" is just as irrelevant as saying "so, what's the salary like in California?" or "what's the salary like in London?". Could you honestly answer that without being given more specifics? I'm trying to be of help, I'm working in Asia - have been for 5 years now - you can take my advice or leave it. Part of getting where you want to be is learning to ask the right questions. If you think you know everything already, then fair enough, but then what the hell are you doing in this thread asking how to get into Asia - shouldn't you already be here? |
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Post by Mr Brad Pitt on Jan 19, 2008 9:28:32 GMT -5
Asking general questions about regulations and personal experience... I don't understand how it can be perceived as pointless.
I understand your concern about people being precise; maybe you're tired of reading/hearing questions like "what is the salary like in this country".
But read again. That's not what we're saying here in this topic. Don't tell us we're lacking humility because we think that YES, it's possible to ask general questions about working conditions besides precise ones.
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Post by yongfook on Jan 19, 2008 9:51:44 GMT -5
Asking general questions about regulations and personal experience... I don't understand how it can be perceived as pointless. I understand your concern about people being precise; maybe you're tired of reading/hearing questions like "what is the salary like in this country". But read again. That's not what we're saying here in this topic. Don't tell us we're lacking humility because we think that YES, it's possible to ask general questions about working conditions besides precise ones. I think it is very dangerous to generalise. Is all you want to hear is something that reaffirms your preconceptions? If you were asking about Tokyo, you'd want to hear "yes, everyone works really hard, the trains are a nightmare, but the pay is ok" or something utterly general and uninformative like that. That could be one person's story. The truth is I've worked from 14 hours a day to 6 hours a day, had a 40 minute commute and a 5 minute commute, earned from 3 million yen to 15 million yen - the list goes on and on - all in the same city. You need to be more specific. If you can't narrow down your question, or are too afraid to because actually you are unsure about what you want, you're not going to get a useful answer. That is my final word on this matter. Good luck making it to Asia. |
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Post by Mr Brad Pitt on Jan 19, 2008 10:22:50 GMT -5
That could be one person's story. The truth is I've worked from 14 hours a day to 6 hours a day, had a 40 minute commute and a 5 minute commute, earned from 3 million yen to 15 million yen - the list goes on and on - all in the same city. It's also interesting to get that kind of answers, which show that it is possible in a given country and for a given profession (I guess?) to be employed under different conditions. |
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