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Post by catgirl on Apr 6, 2008 3:26:05 GMT -5
theKrez: you look a little like my brother when he was a kid, except for the hair that is, lol.
But do both your parents have euro ancestry then? Or is one fully asian?
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Post by chlorine on Apr 6, 2008 23:24:11 GMT -5
Actually, over 95 percent of all Filipino people are unmixed Malay.
- Indopedia
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Post by teek on Apr 7, 2008 1:17:45 GMT -5
That's a pretty bold statement
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Post by thekrez on Apr 7, 2008 6:55:44 GMT -5
theKrez: you look a little like my brother when he was a kid, except for the hair that is, lol. But do both your parents have euro ancestry then? Or is one fully asian? One is fully asian (viet) which is why no one can work it out. Maybe I have a distant ancestor that was a Eurasian Kazakh or something. But its a long way from there to Vietnam. |
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Post by straylight on Apr 7, 2008 20:39:46 GMT -5
Eddie and Alex Van Halen, and that dude who played Zack on Saved By the Bell. All three are half dutch/half indonesian, I think. ALTHOUGH.... I should say that after years and years of alcohol and drug abuse, Eddie is starting to resemble a decrepit, old Asian street bum these days.  |
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Post by TeeHee on Apr 7, 2008 21:24:11 GMT -5
Eddie and Alex Van Halen, and that dude who played Zack on Saved By the Bell. All three are half dutch/half indonesian, I think. from what I've read on wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Van_Halen and a few other sources, Eddie and Alex Van Halen were born to a "Dutch father and Indo Eurasian mother". So presuming by that that they are 3/4white1/4asian, it doesn't surprise me that they look mostly euro. Mark-Paul Gosselaar does look very euro though, if he's 50-50EA. |
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Post by alisa on Apr 7, 2008 21:32:05 GMT -5
I saw that awful pic of eddie the other day!  poor bugger. I have seen him lookin more eurasian though:  |
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Post by insularinsider on Apr 8, 2008 17:25:16 GMT -5
Actually, over 95 percent of all Filipino people are unmixed Malay. - Indopedia Actually, you are wrong to conclude that 95 percent of all Filipino people are "unmixed Malay" (Austronesian, actually) from the passage cited above. If you had read the source carefully, you would have realized that the figure comes from census data. Think about it for a second. I hope you realize that there are people out there who may technically be somewhat distantly mixed in terms of racial heritage but either don't know it or don't care to acknowledge it. That bit of logic should be very obvious. The former case is self-explanatory: how many people out there know their exact racial heritage going back 4 or more generations, for example? The latter case is also fairly prevalent; here's a wonderful example: there are countless Filipinos in the Philippines with surnames such as Koch, Luchsinger, Oppen, Mossesgeld, Kierulf, Klar, Roensch, Gaston, Samson, Singh, Lim, Chua, Ongpin, Tuazon, Banzon, Ongpauco, etc. who identify themselves as simply belonging to Austronesian groups such as Tagalog, Ilonggo, Cebuano, etc., as their foreign (European, Chinese, etc.) ancestry is too distant to have any real bearing on them (in terms of culture, appearance, etc.). Yet, these people (as clearly demonstrated by their foreign surnames) are, in fact, multiracial (although distantly so, perhaps)! Ergo, to conclude from that passage that 95% of Filipinos are "unmixed" Austronesians is total bullsht. Do I know the exact figures for how many Filipinos are actually mixed (with Spanish, Chinese, Portuguese, Dutch, German, British, Japanese, etc.)? Of course not: given the poor census data from the colonial period and other uncertainties, nobody could know this with any degree of certainty whatsoever unless exhaustive DNA marker analysis were to be performed on a significant part of the population (and it still might get hazy). If we are talking about heritage, the bigger issue, as I see it, is that a growing number of Filipinos have fallen prey to what Filipino historian and scholar Prof. Gregorio Zaide once called “bigoted nationalism and jingoism.” Filipinos need to accept the reality that our mainstream culture is a mestizo culture, regardless of racial heritage. |
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Post by catgirl on Apr 9, 2008 4:22:42 GMT -5
theKrez: you look a little like my brother when he was a kid, except for the hair that is, lol. But do both your parents have euro ancestry then? Or is one fully asian? One is fully asian (viet) which is why no one can work it out. Maybe I have a distant ancestor that was a Eurasian Kazakh or something. But its a long way from there to Vietnam. Is a little unusual then yes, hehe. Could you have some French ancestry further back maybe? |
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Post by chlorine on Apr 9, 2008 10:20:01 GMT -5
I actually know a few halfies who look more white, so it doesn't really surprise me.  Her mom is Canadian Euro-mutt, her dad is Japanese.  Half-black and half-Irish-American...natural red hair and freckles. |
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Post by catgirl on Apr 9, 2008 15:53:09 GMT -5
Her eyes and cheeks look very asian. More than the average eurasian I would guess, but maybe not the rest. But what is mutt?? |
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Post by catgirl on Apr 9, 2008 16:03:48 GMT -5
I am an extremely white looking EA :-( So its interesting to note my "whiteness" particularly blond/now light brown hair would have to be carried by both parents: would you rather look more "chinesey" like me?   your eyes look Asian, don't they? anyways... actually I hate all these comments. be it about myself or about someone else. In my Korean class there were two other half-Koreans. One looks rather Asian ("but" very tall) and the other one has light hair and light eyes, w/ eyes that only look a bit Asian. When our class went to a restaurant to have dinner, someone said "He's also half-Korean, eventhough one wouldn't see it". I dunno why but it made *me* feel bad... Another friend of mine (I still like her ) loves to point out to ppl I hardly know how I look more Asian than she does...  Yeeees, we can all see that. Whatever. *group hug* (I stole that one from maow ;D) Uff, that must be irritating....I hate when people are super interested in where you "come from" other than the place you say you come from... Like this statistics teacher (polish) of ours he asks everone which city in Norway we are from. Then he asked this guy in our class if he was pakistani. And also he had to ask me: where does mummy and daddy come from? lol. I was like: ehhhh. Dont know what to say really, cause I have to say 3 countries....So I said all 3, and then he goes: what? Have to repeat myself like 3 times before he understands that Im mixed! What is the right thing to reply really? |
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Post by catgirl on Apr 9, 2008 16:04:48 GMT -5
Her eyes and cheeks look very asian. More than the average eurasian I would guess, but maybe not the rest. But what is mutt?? a mutt is a mixture of several ethnicities... well actually it's a term used for dogs I guess Aha. My english sucks ;D |
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Post by honeyviper on Apr 9, 2008 16:18:21 GMT -5
Actually, over 95 percent of all Filipino people are unmixed Malay. - Indopedia Actually, you are wrong to conclude that 95 percent of all Filipino people are "unmixed Malay" (Austronesian, actually) from the passage cited above. If you had read the source carefully, you would have realized that the figure comes from census data. Think about it for a second. I hope you realize that there are people out there who may technically be somewhat distantly mixed in terms of racial heritage but either don't know it or don't care to acknowledge it. That bit of logic should be very obvious. The former case is self-explanatory: how many people out there know their exact racial heritage going back 4 or more generations, for example? The latter case is also fairly prevalent; here's a wonderful example: there are countless Filipinos in the Philippines with surnames such as Koch, Luchsinger, Oppen, Mossesgeld, Kierulf, Klar, Roensch, Gaston, Samson, Singh, Lim, Chua, Ongpin, Tuazon, Banzon, Ongpauco, etc. who identify themselves as simply belonging to Austronesian groups such as Tagalog, Ilonggo, Cebuano, etc., as their foreign (European, Chinese, etc.) ancestry is too distant to have any real bearing on them (in terms of culture, appearance, etc.). Yet, these people (as clearly demonstrated by their foreign surnames) are, in fact, multiracial (although distantly so, perhaps)! Ergo, to conclude from that passage that 95% of Filipinos are "unmixed" Austronesians is total bullsht. Do I know the exact figures for how many Filipinos are actually mixed (with Spanish, Chinese, Portuguese, Dutch, German, British, Japanese, etc.)? Of course not: given the poor census data from the colonial period and other uncertainties, nobody could know this with any degree of certainty whatsoever unless exhaustive DNA marker analysis were to be performed on a significant part of the population (and it still might get hazy). If we are talking about heritage, the bigger issue, as I see it, is that a growing number of Filipinos have fallen prey to what Filipino historian and scholar Prof. Gregorio Zaide once called “bigoted nationalism and jingoism.” Filipinos need to accept the reality that our mainstream culture is a mestizo culture, regardless of racial heritage. There was a haplogroup genetic study done a few years ago by Stanford (not only for the Philippines, but also other areas of SE Asia as well as Oceania). Which concluded that roughly 3.8% (it could have been 2.8%...but I'm a little fuzzy) of the Philippines population is of Austronesian stock. But, as most people know, that is an incredibly diverse group culturally, linguistically, and geographically. Terms change according to how things are redefined over time. An interesting aside would be that certain populations shared closer ties to their neighbours than was previously thought, but this makes sense (e.g. Tagalogs in Luzon are genetically more related to the Ami of Taiwan than to Indigenous groups in Indonesia). As for the issue of the 'Malay' term, Barnard's Contesting Malayness: Malay Identity Across Boundaries makes for an interesting read. And, if one is truly interested in knowing more about genealogy and surnames, grabbing a copy of the Catálogo alfabético de apellidos is a good place to start. |
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Post by insularinsider on Apr 10, 2008 1:05:59 GMT -5
There was a haplogroup genetic study done a few years ago by Stanford (not only for the Philippines, but also other areas of SE Asia as well as Oceania). Which concluded that roughly 3.8% (it could have been 2.8%...but I'm a little fuzzy) of the Philippines population is of Austronesian stock. But, as most people know, that is an incredibly diverse group culturally, linguistically, and geographically. ...Which is why the figures produced from that study for the Philippines are brain dead/worthless. The Philippines is far from a homogeneous society. If all of the samples were taken from people in, say, Binondo, Manila you would get very different results than those from a sample taken in Iloilo; or one from Alabang, Muntinlupa City; or from the heart of Kalinga Province... To then extrapolate that over the entire country is non-trivial, to put it mildly. Even common sense logic (something overlooked in academia, at times) suggests that the problem is intractable for the sample size in question. Actually, I don't see how it is all that helpful. This is the master surname catalog for the Clavería Edict. It just provides a list of names that were assigned throughout the country -- most of which coincide with Iberian surnames found throughout the Spanish-speaking world (Rivera, Flores, etc.) and place names (Madrid, Valencia, etc.). Logically, a common Spanish name corresponding to one that appears in the list could therefore be a Claveria assigned name, or it could be a genuine surname of a Spanish immigrant ancestor -- how could one tell the difference? Conversely, having a Spanish-sounding name that doesn't appear on the list also doesn't tell you much, because exemptions existed for natives that had already adopted Spanish surnames for several generations. Genealogy isn't a straightforward task for Filipinos... |
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poor bugger. I have seen him lookin more eurasian though:
