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Post by wanchai on Nov 18, 2008 10:24:25 GMT -5
where is a good source for learning about them? are there non-fiction/history books or anything? During the first days of the upheavals in Hanoi, first thing they did is slaughters in the EA quarter.
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Post by Phil on Nov 18, 2008 16:02:28 GMT -5
Who did the slaughtering? I'm guessing it was the French Colonial system.
I would also like to learn more about our EAs of the past. Shall we start a thread? Something along the lines of : EAN History Library / Study
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Post by dead0baby0chick on Nov 18, 2008 16:08:54 GMT -5
Man, this is so not the thread I thought it was going to be.
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Post by Altan on Nov 18, 2008 20:34:01 GMT -5
From sleeping to slaughtering...
My guess it was the pissed off V.C.
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Post by alphamikefoxtrot on Nov 18, 2008 22:03:42 GMT -5
Who did the slaughtering? I'm guessing it was the French Colonial system. I would also like to learn more about our EAs of the past. Shall we start a thread? Something along the lines of : EAN History Library / Study Perhaps we can keep excessive pictures and lengthy bios out of it. That seems to ruin threads. What ever do you mean? *cough* *cough* ManileƱa *cough* *cough*
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Post by wanchai on Nov 19, 2008 8:41:59 GMT -5
Who did the slaughtering? I'm guessing it was the French Colonial system. I would also like to learn more about our EAs of the past. Shall we start a thread? Something along the lines of : EAN History Library / Study That was the Vietnamese. I read it on a History book but can't remember the reference. Nothing found via Google, so yes, difficult to learn stuff on the EA history.
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Post by wanchai on Nov 19, 2008 10:59:54 GMT -5
Who did the slaughtering? I'm guessing it was the French Colonial system. I would also like to learn more about our EAs of the past. Shall we start a thread? Something along the lines of : EAN History Library / Study I'm posting some reply in the culture sub forum, so that it's not a turnoff for people more interested in the relationship sub forum.
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Post by Paddy on Nov 19, 2008 18:54:33 GMT -5
where is a good source for learning about them? are there non-fiction/history books or anything? There's very few sources for exclusively investigating the experiences of EAs from back in the day. The period around the turn of the 1900s was when people began to explore and comment on miscegenation (mixing of the races). Of course there EAs around for centuries before, but colonialism, at it's height, precipitated the increase in mixed race relationships and forced the issue into a more public domain whereby taboos were challenged. It is around this time that you will begin to see miscegenation discussed tentatively in literature (press, academia, fiction). It was a hot topic for tasteless society novels. To explore the period, read: 'Britain in China' by Robert Bickers (1999) For attitudes to mixed race love, read the novels of Miln & Buck: 'Mr. & Mrs. Sen' by Louise Jordan Miln (1923) 'Mr. Wu' by LJM (1918) 'By Soochow Waters' by LJM (1929) 'East Wind: West Wind: The Saga of a Chinese Family' by Pearl Buck (1930) 'Forbidden' by Joan Conquest (1927) For a first hand insight into the life and opinion of a fellow EA read: 'A Many Splenduored Thing' by Han Suyin (1952) 'The Crippled Tree' by Han Suyin (1965) 'A Mortal Flower' by Han Suyin (1966) There is also a author called Edith Maude Eaton (British & Chinese) who wrote under the pseudonym Sui Sin Far. As a youngster she emigrated to Canada and wrote about the lives of Chinese in North America. I've not read any of her stuff - I guess she's next on my list. She was born in 1865 and died in 1914 - her work must be very interesting, especially for those of you in North America. I would thoroughly recommend Pearl Buck and Han Suyin. Buck is easily the most famous person on my list. But by virtue of being EA, Han Suyin is essential reading for any Eurasian. I'm afraid all these books have been out of print for years. It'll have to be an Amazon job!
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Post by Paddy on Nov 19, 2008 19:06:27 GMT -5
Yeah, sorry - I put this in the Relationships Forum to encourage discussion of the quote that I posted initially. It's not meant to be a history topic.
I think there is still some credence to be given to the idea that 'Eurasians are for sleeping with'. Some of you have mentioned that EA girls are seen as a hard target (because of the high competition?). Yet somewhere else, there was discussion about the seemingly disproportionate number of EA pornstars out there. And on a personal note, I remember the displeasure of my first girlfriend's mother; 'Eurasian boys are playboys!'. Indeed, I'm sure there are a few here who would substantiate this notion (won't mention names!).
So, do you think we are seen as easy targets? Obviously we are desirable (!), but that's not quite my point.
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Post by straylight on Nov 20, 2008 10:01:53 GMT -5
no, that's a cool derail actually. man, you're pretty knowledgeable about this the only thing i think i've been exposed to that even vaguely resembles old colonial stories is that catherine denueve movie, indochine.. and that isn't really about ea's either.
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Post by Paddy on Nov 20, 2008 10:23:34 GMT -5
Yeah, if anyone isn't into read books, then you can check out the 1955 Hollywood adaptation of Han Suyin's most famous book - 'A Many Splendoured Thing'.
The movie is a called 'Love is a Many Splendoured Thing' and stars a very white Jennifer Jones as our Eurasian heroine and William Holden as the love interest. The EA sentiments of the book are toned down, and the romance hammed up for the movie. Still worth watching though - shows great footage of 1950s Hong Kong.
Interestingly, William Holden is also the main male protagonist in 'The World of Suzie Wong', also set in 1950s HK. Maybe he was the only white actor brave enough to be associated with mixed race love, or maybe he had a touch of the yellow fever. Just joking.
It's also funny that Nancy Kwan plays Suzie. Kwan, of course, is EA. Jennifer Jones is white (with dark hair!) and plays the part of an EA. Hollywood couldn't quite bring themselves to go all the way...
Oh yeah - a contemporary EA writer is Lisa See. She's only 1/8th Chinese but has written much on Chinese themes. Her book 'Gold Mountain' is very well known.
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Post by Phil on Nov 20, 2008 20:08:33 GMT -5
Man, this is so not the thread I thought it was going to be. Oh, you were looking for the Eurasians for Slumber Party thread.
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Post by Paddy on Nov 28, 2008 15:37:10 GMT -5
Yes, as a Eurasian in China, I felt a queer kinda sense of duty to not behave like you're average uncouth foreigner. I think the locals often appreciated that, and would comment that I was more like a Chinese than a foreign barbarian. Sometimes it was this that led people to realise that I am mixed - that I was capable of a kind of cultural empathy.
But naturally as EA, my behaviour would often ebb and flow between the crassness of the west and the conservatism of the east. I have a propensity toward flatulence (pertaining to the east) and drawing attention to it (pertaining to the west).
Kyu-ree, regarding your comments of EAs behaving like expats, locals associating with expats also often incur the indignation of their disapproving compatriots. Girls, especially, participating in western pursuits - whether they be sports or other gay activities - would often be the recipients of verbal admonitions. It is expected the expats will behave inappropriately, but is it worse for impressionable locals to be corrupted by western impropriety?
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Post by Paddy on Nov 28, 2008 19:15:50 GMT -5
please don't use so many intelligent words You mean, like 'flatulence'? Yeah sorry about that.
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Post by agingmale on Nov 30, 2008 7:13:51 GMT -5
I don't think I can relate, then again almost everyone sees me as an Asian, not an Eurasian woman. I think I can only relate to the part about Sex was supposed to be our availability, and if a Eurasian was seen out with a boy, everybody assumed she slept with him and immediately that she was available to anyone and everyone. It was different for the white, they could do what they liked, get drunk, beat people, smash things, sleep with anyone, no one said anything..." I have a feeling that Asians in Asia just think about whites that they can do whatever stupid/embarrassing/... things they want since they don't connect w/ them anyways or might even think of them as stupid foreigners or whatever but if you're half-Asian than you're a disgrace if you behave in such a way. I agree with this sentiment. Although I haven't been to Asia since I left Japan as a young child...but i could definitely see situations such as those described happening. I would definitely feel very self conscious about perpetrating the stereotype of the 'irresponsible foreigner' if I went back for a visit..... Living in North America ( in a small Canadian city mostly populated by Caucasians to be specific) I've always felt that I needed to uphold the "model minority" image.People often see me as looking Aboriginal or Native American, Hispanic, or even "some sort of black mix" (in the words of others, not mine). Sadly,where I live many people equate Native people and the other ethnicities I may appear to be in their eyes with negative stereotypes.Involvement in crimes or alcoholism....teenage pregnancies....Because of that I've always been extremely self conscious of my behavior.I feel that my racially ambiguous look affords people the opportunity to classify me as they choose and draw whatever stereotypes they may according to this...So I've felt the need to "prove people wrong" via strictly regulating my conduct and behavior....
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