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Post by EA Observer on Jan 24, 2008 13:42:49 GMT -5
Obama or Hillary - which one of the two do you really think has a better chance to be elected as the next Democratic presidential-candidate, if not the next U.S. president, based on their nontraditional background?
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Post by cjsdad on Jan 24, 2008 14:58:04 GMT -5
Whichever raises the most money, panders to extreme leftist during the primaries, and swings most centrist during the general election, and appeases the chosen special interests of the party the best.
So my guess is Hillary.
And she'll choose smiling knob ambulance chasing Edwards as her sidekick.
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Post by keeper of the funk on Feb 1, 2008 16:30:37 GMT -5
I don't know too much about the polotics of either but based on what I know about America and thier respective 'non-traditional' backgrounds.
I think a lot of people are supporting obama, and imo a black president could be good for the psychology of the states.
but I don't know if Americas ready, from everything I read/See in the media/people I talk too America still has some serious issues and tentions regarding race.
The northen states may be fine, the south carries a lot of the vote. Wasn't the last nothern president JFK?
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Post by Altan on Feb 1, 2008 16:35:32 GMT -5
And the First Mormon as well.
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Post by 2bob on Feb 1, 2008 17:54:17 GMT -5
Obama should win. It could possibly end a lot of the racial hatred that apparently is still pravelent over in the usa. Plus Blacks as a whole have had to put up with a lot more in the U.S rather then somebody like hilary clinton so....yeh. But either way will be a first: the first overall female president or the first overall African American president   |
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Post by black mamba on Feb 1, 2008 20:15:14 GMT -5
Obama FTW.
He's half-black, for the record. I know there's a whole audience of people out there who would back up the reasoning behind why EVERYONE is referring to him as just straight-up black, but whatevs.
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Post by okay on Feb 1, 2008 20:24:22 GMT -5
Obama FTW. He's half-black, for the record. I know there's a whole audience of people out there who would back up the reasoning behind why EVERYONE is referring to him as just straight-up black, but whatevs. Yeah I know he is half black half white. his mother is white. But would it make a difference to the american audience if he wah really fully black? |
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Post by black mamba on Feb 1, 2008 20:41:32 GMT -5
Obama FTW. He's half-black, for the record. I know there's a whole audience of people out there who would back up the reasoning behind why EVERYONE is referring to him as just straight-up black, but whatevs. Yeah I know he is half black half white. his mother is white. But would it make a difference to the american audience if he wah really fully black? Honestly? Yes. Would it be terribly dramatic? Not quite. Still, the lives/stories of candidates are important enough that they're included in campaigns. |
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Post by Roam'n on Feb 1, 2008 21:41:33 GMT -5
I'm a lifelong democrat.... but Hillary leaves a bad impression with me. She's campaigning similarly to her husband, but she's way more robotic about it... and it's real apparent that she has been a part of the (broken) political machine that has promoted the poor public perception of politicians in general.
With that in mind I like Obama a lot. He's got something in him that's beyond words (and certainly beyond any questions of his race).
I know it's really stupid, but like-ability matters a lot. It's one of the only reasons such a tool like GW Bush got elected twice. Gore and Kerry were obviously smarter and better versed, but they lost out big time in the 'yee-haw-I-can-have-a-beer-with-this-guy-at-the-NASCAR-race' factor.
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Post by black mamba on Feb 1, 2008 22:18:23 GMT -5
I know it's really stupid, but like-ability matters a lot. It's one of the only reasons such a tool like GW Bush got elected twice. Gore and Kerry were obviously smarter and better versed, but they lost out big time in the 'yee-haw-I-can-have-a-beer-with-this-guy-at-the-NASCAR-race' factor. I agree and disagree. I think like-ability can be attributed to being well-versed (assuming that one is actually paying attention to the issues/policies at hand). The problem is that, often, people are swayed more by form than by content. I hate to admit it, but Hillary's a great speaker; she's always prepared and confident (though, like you said, totally robotic)... her responses, however, to a couple of issues have been either questionable or unrealistic/too idealistic, so I hope that speaks for itself. |
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Post by dannyd on Feb 2, 2008 3:13:40 GMT -5
I have much love for Bill Clinton, but I've been very disappointed to see the dirty tricks and games Billary have played so far this campaign. I would have been behind either one of them for presitdent had either one made it through however the Billary tactics and Bills constant publicity throughout the campaign has left a bad taste in my mouth with regards to Hillary's candidacy. The Kennedy's see it too and despite being Clinton backers in the past I think this is one of the many reasons they've chosen to back Obama, which is a big blow for Billary.
To be honest I'd love to see the loser of the two fall under the wing of the other. But it would seem, there is some bad blood there now, which is a shame. I think both candidates have great capacity to make changes necessary for the future of the US both from an economic and social standpoint. Hillary's efforts on the medical system during Bill's presidency were admirable and so was Bills efforts on paying back US debt. Obama is a highly intelligent man and has the leadership and charisma to sell a new vision of America to the people. The Clintons have pressed that he doesn't have the experience, but the total change I think is what America needs and the critical experience could still be offered by the Clintons in the background should Obama win.
I back Obama. A few weeks ago I was happy with either outcome, now I only want one.
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Post by LaFace on Feb 2, 2008 10:53:30 GMT -5
And the First Mormon as well. ^I'm almost certain that he was the first (and only) practicing Roman Catholic to have been elected as president of the United States. |
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Post by juancarlos on Feb 2, 2008 11:29:22 GMT -5
I prefer Obama. I think he's more sincere. Hillary seems to be the one who'll do anything to win in this contest, which is a total turnoff.
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Post by cm on Feb 2, 2008 12:06:25 GMT -5
People make such a big deal about sincerity.
Nixon wasn't sincere, yet got us out of Vietnam and established relations with a former enemy (Korean and Vietnam war) in China.
That's the equivalent of the next president getting us out of Iraq and having us establish relations with Iran or Venezuela (much smaller scale than China of course). If Nixon could do the following and we had some machine to bring him back to life, I'd vote for him in an instant.
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Post by black mamba on Feb 2, 2008 18:55:16 GMT -5
Wow, watching the live dialogue that's being broadcast on MySpace.
Someone in the crowd is holding a huge sign saying "Hapas for Obama."
Cue giggle.
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