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Post by Subuatai on Jan 9, 2009 10:57:36 GMT -5
This thread is about self-racism yes? I apologise if I'm wrong, but from your post, it seems that you wished to oppose our views that we should not consider him a laughing stock, which in the end, he is, and has to be made aware of this fact in my opinion. So yes, my post is completely relevant to yours, unless unfortunately, I have mistaken your objective.
EDIT: ROFL, once again, I answer too fast for you Celtriya ;D
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Post by Subuatai on Jan 9, 2009 11:06:31 GMT -5
The thread started mentioned self-racism and yes I consider this a mental condition as it is not healthy. Hence, I see relevance to it.
Is it natural for that one client I had who made her skin lighter for the sake of 'finding love?' I don't think so. In fact I know so that it is not. I've also seen this occurence elsewhere. As for labels, we all have our own problems, including me, and yes, sometimes I need to see a shrink. No one is perfect, that's facts.
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Post by Subuatai on Jan 9, 2009 12:00:06 GMT -5
Social conditioning to me is the same as mental conditions. However, do note that I do not impose what I've learnt in psychology in regards to 'mental conditions' on my clients. To me, the two go hand in hand, but mental conditions are not in many cases serious enough to be considered a MEDICAL CONDITION for example Schizophrenia or Bipolar disorder. I don't push labels on people until I'm absolutely sure, but yes, I will still consider this complex unhealthy for any individual's mental health, and hence, consider it a mental condition. Btw were the African royalty white? Lighter black sure, but you don't lose such pigments till genetic drifts over the cause of many MILLENIA. I don't see it as a social phenomenon, I once saw it as that, but it still drove me to politics and history to further understand this. Then I realised, it is no phenomenon, it is imposed. It is a mental condition, but it is not something that the individual has no control over. They DO have control over this. They just need to find their own sense of pride. Yes, these behaviours need to be cured, and yes I do consider racialism a virus that needs to be vaccinated against. Yes I do see a plague bearer, but I'm not racist in that regard as I see the plague having being spread through first Roman imperialism and discrimination of Europa. Anthropology I can agree with, especially with the statements of the American Anthropological community I can agree with as well. Link: www.aaanet.org/stmts/racepp.htmAnd btw, what is a greater insult, to consider one inferior over something an individual has completely NO control over. Or to consider one with a mental problem which can be cured in which an individual has COMPLETE control over? NOTE also: I was trained as COUNSELLOR, not a PSYCHOLOGIST. Yes, there IS a difference between the two. One seeks to cure conditions which are perhaps considered 'minor' but still problems, the other, are trained to cure conditions which are much more serious mental conditions - MEDICAL conditions.
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Post by Shock on Jan 9, 2009 13:23:14 GMT -5
About skin bleaching, it's just a mode as hair dying.
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Post by Subuatai on Jan 9, 2009 13:38:06 GMT -5
Yes, I guess I can see your point of view, and I do respect your opinion. Though, I have many reasons to consider it a mental condition, due this guideline: "Is it beneficial to the person's own individual health with his or her mentality?".
Let's use the example of my past client in this case. Wasting money to lighten her skin so she can feel a sense of pride and confidence -> is this beneficial? In my opinion, no, it is not beneficial. Should she learn to appreciate the beauty that is her own God given gift? yes, in my opinion, yes she should have been appreciative of the beauty not just myself have witnessed but ALL others.
She was of mixed african-anglo descendant btw, from South Africa. So yes, I still consider racialism as a virus, and I still consider many as victims of this mental epidemic. How do I counter this epidemic, I play the same game of racialism, I play demonification. I give them s***, I show them the reality of how they look to the general public who is healthy. I show them history, I show them the political systems in place to educate to why they have been taught to feel inferior. In the end, she did realise what happened, and hasn't gone for skin treatment since. Though, I was more a friend to her then a counsellor to be honest, I still keep in touch with her from time to time. But that's me, I don't "detach" myself from other people as it is taught in the mental deparment.
I empathize, I dont detach.
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Post by Subuatai on Jan 9, 2009 14:07:01 GMT -5
Well, it's no crime, it hurts no one but themselves, nor should anyone impose a forced therapy as Flat Top mentioned on another thread. But nonetheless, I don't consider it healthy, just how it is with me. I'm a critical nutjob hehe To be honest, I'm starting to see how you are refering to this issue as a 'social phenomen' due to your mentioning of breast implantation. Yes, you are also right in this. Though, I guess I see this issue on a different perspective, which considers this issue unhealthy, thus, consider it a mental condition. Well, perhaps in truth, you've taught me something; in which to use different terminology in my future book. In the case of breast implantation it is no different from the cultural phenomena known as Chinese foot-binding. Yes it was cruel, yes it was sick. Nonetheless, it isn't healthy. But, it was... FASHION I'm only 24, I'm learning what I can, but I admit there is still much more for me to learn, not to mention fatherhood... but... I do wish that people do feel proud of their own God given gifts in the end. To be honest, I am still hurt by witnessing people who bleach their skin or depreciate their own beauty. I've taken a strong and aggressive stance on this thread because of this passion against it.
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Post by Kush on Jan 9, 2009 20:26:39 GMT -5
I'm glad I've never met anyone like that.
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Post by LaFace on Jan 13, 2009 12:27:09 GMT -5
Umm... sorry to break the pity party but what business was it of yours and the "Japanese guy and a dozen other people" to tell him what he identifies with (japanese, not korean). Yes we are, including that little boy who was born in Korea and raised in Japan. And you and your friends bullying him and telling him to identify in the manner that YOU think is correct is not treating him like an individual. Your posts have equal doses of "Look how ignorant and prejudiced people are!" and stories that reflect upon your own ignorant prejudice. ^I agree with the above two quotes. I can understand the principles that you are preaching, however your actions, as highlighted in the above two quotes, have not really reflected your own words, in my opinion. As mentioned, everyone has a different story, and individual context in terms of self-identification is an important issue in society. Trying to place one's feet in another's shoes is central toward gaining a better understanding of this concept.
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Post by Subuatai on Jan 13, 2009 12:33:22 GMT -5
I wrote this on another thread, just curious if you consider this self-racist:
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Post by s on Jan 16, 2009 11:20:53 GMT -5
I'm a racist. I'm sure you mean discriminatory though....
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Post by Subuatai on Jan 16, 2009 12:33:08 GMT -5
Yup that's called a minority crisis, I've met the most dullest and rather amusing caucasians from all-asian circles too. Kinda sad really how people always try to fit in instead of just being their own individual. We'll achieve nothing like that.
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Post by fubarsticks on Jan 16, 2009 14:41:18 GMT -5
Wow...... sounds like you found the epitomy of a douche bag. In elementary school, I met a guy who came straight from korea. This korean boy was born in korea and grew up in Japan which means he is a Korean who is influenced by Japanese culture.. Therefore, he calls himself a Japanese. I corrected him with the support of a Japanese guy and a dozen other people and told him he was korean. He went ballistic on me and prayed to god I die and wanted to rip my balls apart. He confronted me and admitted he hated korean people and wished they were all dead. He only hung around with white pot smokers who sat around waiting for life to fly. I'm not sure if he's homosexual but I do know for a fact that he looks down on asian people. I'm half chinese and I don't speak a word of chinese (but I do understand it) and no one has ever asked me if I was chinese unless I told them. He knows that I'm mixed but when I tell him I'm half chinese, he labels me as a "china man" or a "Chinese" (he makes the word Chinese seem like a taboo). I also wonder why a lot of outsiders have this view on Chinese people. I mean we are all individuals. I dislike generalizing because although we are all humans, we are all different. He talks down on me and makes fun of my skin color. Its a little harder for me to be fluent in another language because I was born in Canada but that doesn't mean I don't know how to speak it. That being said, he claims that I'm an asian trying to be white because of my Canadian accent and my upbringings. I kept my distance away from him but felt guilty about my morals and pity towards him. I then apologized to him for my behaviour although I did nothing wrong. I did this so I could clear the air but realised that there will always be these types of people and you can't change them. He just started attacking me and telling me that I was a disgrace to asians because I was born in Canada. As far as I know, everyone I know especially the Canadians of asian decent or mixed, dislike him. Its hard to believe that there are people like this in the world.
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Post by attilathehun513 on Jan 24, 2009 18:54:06 GMT -5
An inferiority complex? Well I definitely have one, but I usually don't show it.
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Post by amalgam on Feb 4, 2009 20:39:47 GMT -5
^ An inferiority complex towards whom? Yes I have encountered people that are racist towards their own race, actually, it's only ever Asians that are, which makes me wonder if it's just identification with the aggressor.
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Post by LaFace on Feb 7, 2009 12:19:57 GMT -5
I know a Vietnamese girl that simply cannot (or perhaps will not?) find other Asian guys physically attractive, even in the least.
Mixed Asian guys on the hand, she likes.
I find this completely strange and bewildering, and believe that there must be an explanation for this, rather than just a simple preference for a particular physical appearance that has no foundation apart from honest aesthetic appeal. I'm not saying it's necessarily a bad thing though. What can be difficult in regard to cases that share similar issues to this, is finding reasoning from the person in question relating to why they feel a certain way, because these people often don't like to self-analyse. Sometimes this is because they lack the intellect to do so, or perhaps they don't care and hence can't be bothered really thinking about the issue. There are other reasons too, like feeling uncomfortable about discussing such things. I don't really care about this anywhere near as much as what this post may indicate, as I am somewhat ranting now.
It just wouldn't be so strange to me if she had a preference, rather than what is seemingly a 100% dislike for her own ethnicity's male appearance.
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