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Post by Subuatai on Oct 11, 2009 6:24:15 GMT -5
I'm honest with my opinion and observations of many S.K.s, and I'm sorry if you found it hit you too close to home
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Post by milkman's baby on Oct 11, 2009 7:53:45 GMT -5
I'm honest with my opinion and observations of many S.K.s, and I'm sorry if you found it hit you too close to home Eh, if anything, you had it completely backwards. South Koreans (can't attest to the North Koreans, sorry) are infamous for being xenophobic and racist toward others, including other Asians. Many of them don't have any inferiority complexes but rather superiority complexes, and badly. Most feel as if Korean language and culture is far superior to anything else. I didn't quite catch your drift with the Turanist Society thing, but how would their desire to join it be any different than the other countries' desires? They have every right to be, considering they descended from Altaic groups. I highly doubt they ever longed to be another Asian, especially if it's Japanese. They don't particularly favor the Chinese, many refuse to believe they could have possibly descended from the Mongols (this includes many history and anthropology teachers in SK), and the rest of the Asians are just "dark-skinned jungle Asians" to them (Vietnamese, Filipino, etc). So I don't see how they would possibly want to be another Asian. South Korea is very much a western-influenced country, but it hasn't become westernized quite to the extent that the Philippines have. There are a few American military bases there presently, but support from civilian Koreans is decreasing day by day. Korea still maintains it's own culture very strongly. So I wouldn't quite called it an occupied country. Same for Japan, with the exception of Okinawa. Any Korean you've met with that sort of inferiority complex is certainly the minority amongst South Koreans, regardless of how many you met. That would be great if there really were more Koreans like that though, because it would balance out the large egos and racism that I'm used to seeing from them.
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Post by Subuatai on Oct 11, 2009 8:24:39 GMT -5
pelleWow, talk about over-exaggeration. Its interesting how you attempt to criticize my people with so much hatred. Says something about you. My post above (9 months ago) is based on the observation of the attitudes of many S.K.s I've found in Australia as well as in Korean communities prior to my travels to Asia (in February). I've tried my best to fair on the 2nd paragraph during that time because I do not write such a post out of hatred (compared to what you have written above), but sadness at Korean brothers and sisters. Nonetheless, I think we both know the issue here isn't my post. I never knew someone on the net can hold such a deep grudge with me, digging up a NINE-month old post to try and use it against me. The last time we spoke, you waved a self-righteous banner and charged in for a crusade against me and mentioned some jokes I mentioned about my wife. And I'm sorry to disappoint you but unlike yourself, my wife isn't an insecure weakling who desperately needs smothering attention and support to feel better about herself. If I was you, I would suggest for your own mental health, you get over your own grudge against me. I'm over our little flame wars anyway. milkman's babyI made that post in response to someone who obviously has an e-problem with me to dig up an old post. As for what I really feel nowadays - Yes, that's why I made that recent post on the "Fat" thread, when we were talking about blondes, etc - as even in countries where I once expected an inferiority complex (b4 I travelled in Feb) - turned out to be a minority, with national and ethnic pride rising - Despite my impressions of S.K.s in Australia almost a year ago and before. As for Turanism, the Altaic link is controversial. Their ancestors were Hamnigan (Manchus) yes, but I don't support it myself. Korean-Mongol relations are generally favorable however, but as for what you said: I will not encourage South Koreans to have such an inferiority complex especially one with such a proud history. At the moment, I would encourage their ethnic pride until the point S.K. can stand on her own two-feet and hopefully reunite their people.
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Post by Subuatai on Oct 11, 2009 9:39:57 GMT -5
Haha! Well if ever I find myself doing a "Pelle" one day, and start e-following someone around to dig up old posts to flame them, would be the time I know I got your problems. ;D
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Post by admin on Oct 11, 2009 10:38:35 GMT -5
(This discussion will get back on track)
We deserve a week of peace.
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Post by milkman's baby on Oct 11, 2009 14:25:13 GMT -5
I know a lot of people who hate their own race. I think a lot of the problem is attributed to people feeling as if they must account for all the actions that occur from people within their race. Most often, this is a characteristic of minorities.
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Post by Ganbare! on Oct 11, 2009 18:16:47 GMT -5
Never been racist to my own race. However I do admit having felt uncomfortable because of my difference with the majority group (Caucasian or Asian) on numerous occasion, it's more subtle...
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Post by palaver on Oct 11, 2009 19:09:21 GMT -5
One of the funniest moments on the history of the Dave Chappelle Show: Clayton Bigsby, the black white-supremacist (A Frontline mocumentary) He has finally accepted the fact that he is a black man and three days ago he filed for divorce from his [white] wife. When we asked why, he responded, "Because she is a n!@ger lover".
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Post by alisa on Oct 18, 2009 7:39:14 GMT -5
Does it count that I think asians are bad drivers? Or that europeans are meddling and annoying?
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Post by mrxcloudyxloc on Oct 18, 2009 10:52:22 GMT -5
It's interesting that from what I read in this thread, it seems like the experiences folks have is of people looking down on their Asian blood, and other Asians. Growing up it was always the other way for me, as in I didn't particularly care for white folks. I didn't really have white friends growing up, and didn't really live in a neighborhood with a lot of whites. I don't know if I would say I am or was racist towards white folk, just didn't really like white people or want to be around them.
Now, I've been in the military for four years, and met a lot of different people from a lot of different places. When I first joined, all my friends were either Asian or black, now I have a few white friends that I actually hang out with regularly and I've become a lot more open to white people in general.
At Subuatai, I think your assessment of Koreans was definitely completely wrong. I grew up in communities with a lot of Koreans in the states, and I live in Korea now. I can guarantee that Koreans are one of the most proud people I've been around. During the world cup, Koreans were going crazy with the clothes and chanting and songs, not just in Korea but back in LA and NY too. Same thing with the world baseball classic a little while ago. And Koreans definitely know the history and respect Yi Sun Shin and Se Jong Dae Wang and his alphabet etc. North Korea even went a step further and completely abandoned the use of hanja. From my experience living with Korean-Americans as well as living here amongst Koreans, I must say Koreans do not have an inferiority complex in the slightest.
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Post by waywardwolf on Oct 18, 2009 12:17:36 GMT -5
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Post by s on Oct 22, 2009 6:00:03 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm racist against my own races. I believe whites are superior in height to Asians and that Asians are superior in intelligence to whites (on average of course). The former is clearly proven with height measurements and the latter is supported by IQ measurements and cranial capacity measurements.
That's wayyyyyyyyyyyyyy different than hating people of a certain race though or even discriminating against individuals. I'd never hold what race someone happens to be against them. That's like discriminating against someone who has long fingers or something if it could be scientifically proven that people with long fingers have lower IQs on average. Or against people with long ring fingers or whatever because they're actually more likely to be gay. etc.
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Post by betahat on Oct 22, 2009 13:18:09 GMT -5
^"I believe whites are superior in height to Asians and that Asians are superior in intelligence to whites (on average of course). The former is clearly proven with height measurements and the latter is supported by IQ measurements and cranial capacity measurements."
Do enlighten.
Perhaps you meant to say that these differences are not necessarily genetic. Still, I would be interested to know where you are going with cranial capacity. As far as I know, that kind of work has been discredited for a while and only people like Phillippe Rushton (of Bell Curve fame) have emphasized cranial capacity and its relationship to intelligence across races.
In any case, the relevant question is whether (a)these differences are genetic ("racial") or environmental ("cultural") and (b)whether differences in group averages are big enough to use race effectively as predictor (as opposed to some other visible marker, like accent, clothing, social class).
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Post by milkman's baby on Oct 22, 2009 16:06:02 GMT -5
^"I believe whites are superior in height to Asians and that Asians are superior in intelligence to whites (on average of course). The former is clearly proven with height measurements and the latter is supported by IQ measurements and cranial capacity measurements." Do enlighten. Perhaps you meant to say that these differences are not necessarily genetic. Still, I would be interested to know where you are going with cranial capacity. As far as I know, that kind of work has been discredited for a while and only people like Phillippe Rushton (of Bell Curve fame) have emphasized cranial capacity and its relationship to intelligence across races. In any case, the relevant question is whether (a)these differences are genetic ("racial") or environmental ("cultural") and (b)whether differences in group averages are big enough to use race effectively as predictor (as opposed to some other visible marker, like accent, clothing, social class). I thought it was an ongoing debate in the world of neurology. There still are scientific reports claiming Asians have larger brain sizes on average. But being intelligent is far more complex than just having a large brain. Also, I wonder if the reason these theories have been "discredited for a while," as you say, is because for a long while people didn't want to believe it. These theories almost always put black people at the bottom, which will always make people angry. I am not advocating the theory, but I don't know enough about biology to really deny it (probably because I'm only half Asian ). I'd like to see an explanation of both sides of the argument though.
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Post by alisa on Oct 22, 2009 16:47:13 GMT -5
Either way, I think it's more of an environmental factor. If you look at the way most asians are brought up to study hard and are a lot more disciplined in the academic areas, it makes sense that they end up making better use with what they have. I agree completely that being intelligent is far more complex than having a large brain. Like they say, it's not the size that matters, it's how you use it! How would you even measure intelligence between those who have exercised their brain to a higher potential than those who haven't? The homo neanderthalis people (neanderthals) had larger brains than the homo sapiens (us), but were still wiped out by the latter - though then again, that probably has more to do with population size than anything! OR perhaps with smaller brains comes higher levels of aggressiveness? I don't know enough about it to make a judgement, but it's a fact I've always found interesting!
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