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Post by japonesa on Mar 2, 2010 20:12:26 GMT -5
i don't see how i provoked anything my point was that we aren't victimizing ourselfs
'id love to hear how you were more discriminated than me' is it some competition you sound almost wierdly proud and since you know very little about what type of discrimination i've faced i really don't think that type of comment is necessary
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Post by Ganbare! on Mar 2, 2010 21:52:14 GMT -5
It's your opinion against mine, unless you can tell you suffered traumatic prejudice because of racial discrimination, you lack the required credibility to assert that you're really a victim of it. I know some members here have been through terrible times due to racism.
However most haven't and it's either insignificant whining or mistaking aggressivity based on countless criteria with intolerance.
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Post by japonesa on Mar 3, 2010 10:33:37 GMT -5
my opinion against yours? i duno what your issue is im not saying my opinions in order to belittle yours
to say most mixed people haven't faced racism is either a very brave or very stupid statement to make and let me make it very clear that i don't have to justify anything about my life to you but i do love how you think you're important enough to say things like ' you lack the required credibility to assert that you're really a victim of it'
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Post by admin on Mar 3, 2010 11:36:41 GMT -5
unless you can tell you suffered traumatic prejudice because of racial discrimination, you lack the required credibility to assert that you're really a victim of it. I know some members here have been through terrible times due to racism. However most haven't and it's either insignificant whining or mistaking aggressivity based on countless criteria with intolerance. I think you're making up your own terms and definitions here - that's when useful dialog goes out the window.
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Post by Ganbare! on Mar 3, 2010 11:44:06 GMT -5
You were opposing your belief with FF and me. yea i know you did i kind of just wanted to put it out there as a response to Ganbare because the do we victimize ourselfs seemed like a similar type of comment I fail to see where I said mixed race individuals don't face ANY racism if you would have read carefully which you apparently didn't, you would undertand that OVERvictimizing ourselves is not going to lead us anywhere and is often the result of interpreting things under the wrong perspective.
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Post by Ganbare! on Mar 3, 2010 11:55:34 GMT -5
I think you're making up your own terms and definitions here - that's when useful dialog goes out the window.
What's yours based on then, whining over insignificant details? That's precisely what's killing feminism today, for every parity policies voted or put into application, defense groups cry about how insufficient these are. Thus disincenting future government or HR actions because of the certainty there will be systematic protests. Change is obtained through pragmatic resilience not systematic whining.
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Post by admin on Mar 3, 2010 12:06:46 GMT -5
What's yours based on then, whining over insignificant details? Whining? Where? Meanwhile, I consider a common understanding and agreement of basic terms and words to be fundamental to discourse, and not insignificant.
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Post by FreckleFoot on Mar 3, 2010 14:36:57 GMT -5
yea i know you did i kind of just wanted to put it out there as a response to Ganbare because the do we victimize ourselfs seemed like a similar type of comment Okay, thank you for explaining. They decry their mistreatment as a minority until they are able to get enough power or assimilate so that they can find a minority to mistreat. Can this cycle be changed with consciousness-raising, or as humans are we wired to behave so? I find this is to be very true. I am reading a book about how the ego leads people to always identify themselves with things or qualities in an effort to make themselves superior to others. I think this is a classic example. Even when people are from a minority group and do not have power and do not assimilate they use it as a way to make themselves superior. e.g. A Eurasian being egotistical about their rare mixed ethnicity to the point that they look down upon monoracial individuals. I get the impression it is a part of human nature, but that it is possible to overcome. However, the person must be aware of what they are doing and they must want to change. Thus, my statement of not overvictimizing ourselves. It's like being a 5 feet tall Asian and cry racism if you don't get in the NBA. Interpersonal relationships are based on much more than just race, perceived/actual age, social background, skills, physical build or personality... you get the point. I understand what you mean. We mustn't blame every negative experience on our race nor over-analyse and get offended by everything. e.g. If someone who is non-white goes to get ice-cream with a white friend and the vendor speaks to the white friend first, someone who is oversensitive might victimise themselves here and cry racism. However, there are many reasons why the vendor might speak to the friend first. Perhaps the vendor doesn't realise they were together and has simply moved on to the next customer in the queue. Perhaps the friend is more dominant and has made it clear with facial expression and body language that he/she is to order first. Perhaps he/she's taller and gets noticed first. Maybe the vendor has seen him/her before many times and recognises a regular customer before others... It is very easy to pin everything on race, but if one looks harder there might be more than one reason why X has happened and it's likely there is no reason to be offended at all!
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Post by japonesa on Mar 3, 2010 15:58:58 GMT -5
wow ganbare you're so unbelievably rude and disrespectful only god knows what type of background you come from i'm really starting to pity you
'I fail to see where I said mixed race individuals don't face ANY racism' YOU MADE IT SEEM AS IF THEY DID BUT IT WAS SMALL AND INSIGNIFICANT
'OVERvictimizing ourselves is not going to lead us anywhere and is often the result of interpreting things under the wrong perspective.' NO.. IF YOU READ IT PROPERLY YOU WOULD HAVE SEEN THE EXAMPLE I GAVE ABOUT SEXISM SO NEXT TIME YOU WANT TO LECTURE SOMEONE CHECK YOURSELF FIRST
@putts thanks but you know what people like this aren't ever going to give other people respect they're too internally driven and self-obsessed believing their own experiences and struggles deserve more recognitian than others ... lack of perspective i guess
@ frecklefoot 'It is very easy to pin everything on race,' i agree with that in terms of the example you gave but there are on the other hand alot of times where race does become an issue i can remember it alot as a child i didnt even really pick up on much of it when i was young but i know my family had to put up with a lot of discrimination
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Post by Ganbare! on Mar 3, 2010 16:54:29 GMT -5
I don't need your pity, you're the one who's being aggressive here. Like I quoted before, you're the one who started the whole debate in the first place by naming me and opposing my take on actual/perceived racism.
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Post by japonesa on Mar 4, 2010 13:50:38 GMT -5
it wasn't just you and it was because your post was the last one at the end of the day you just want every one to agree with your opinions but if you believe them so strongly why are you so upset if someone challenges them
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Post by Ganbare! on Mar 4, 2010 14:39:28 GMT -5
I actually, prefer spirited debate to boring agreements on everything, if I didn't I would've left the boards years ago, don't make any more assumptions. We both heard each other's opposing theories, we discussed them, whether anyone on this topic changed his mind or not does not really matter, there is no need to go personal in order to make a point.
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Post by japonesa on Mar 4, 2010 16:59:49 GMT -5
i like how you've tried to place blame on me but it's you who got rude and personal and ruined the discussion by saying 'unless you can tell you suffered traumatic prejudice because of racial discrimination, you lack the required credibility to assert that you're really a victim of it' anyway i hope you can recognise this and be nicer to people in the future
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Post by Ganbare! on Mar 4, 2010 17:11:50 GMT -5
Like I've proven earlier by your quote the only thing I did was merely responding to you, you are victimizing yourself . Since I'd rather not to derail the whole thread, I'll leave it at that.
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Post by admin on Mar 4, 2010 17:33:43 GMT -5
If not, just take a break from the thread.
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