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Post by avax on Nov 30, 2007 2:16:55 GMT -5
What if... ... make-up weren't used to enhance beauty but always to fix ugliness? Discuss. Well, what makes up a person? Making up for something originally suggests that there is something lacking. Enhancing beauty IS fixing ugliness - aesthetically, characteristically, whatever. I do not think that the ideal sense of "beauty" is fixed though, even within one person throughout a single lifetime. Ideals of beauty are usually in transformation, even transcending many times, and are subject to influences - who, where, what we interact with, and especially how people react to the majority or status quo. "Making up" a person already suggests that there are pieces and possibly divided pieces, some missing, some in place. Is it just me or did the context of your question radically mutate into a discussion of cosmetics? |
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Post by avax on Nov 30, 2007 2:29:50 GMT -5
Why on earth is everyone talking about cosmetics? It's the same tired dialogue about au naturel vs. not, women vs. men, tattooed vs. untattooed, dyed vs. undyed, fake nails vs. nails, prada vs. pradu. And somewhere in there is a mess of pseudo-feminism.
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Post by jenming on Nov 30, 2007 3:02:02 GMT -5
Not to further not talk about makeup as an anti-uglystick, but..
Cel... I don't seem to remember your complexion being so light as in your avatar... did you put on a lot of makeup in that pic? it's a REALLY dramatic effect!
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Post by daisypukes on Nov 30, 2007 3:10:41 GMT -5
@zoff: What you said reads to me as "I don't like make-up, and you're doing it for me and my fellow mankind, so stop." First off, just because you don't like the appearance of make-up does not mean women are wasting their time in putting it on. Maybe they aren't trying to attract anyone, maybe they're doing it for themselves.  I've had a couple of bfs tell me that they don't like it when I wear make-up in the past, that I look better without it. If my wearing it had anything to do with whether it made me more or less attractive to a mate, I would have stopped then. But it's not all about you, boys. Some guys like made up women, some don't. Not all guys are into the natural look. And even if they were, I'd still wear make-up whenever the mood hits me, because I happen to like how I look with it on. As for a guy applying make-up before work. I'd call him a drag queen. |
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Post by xandra on Nov 30, 2007 3:13:04 GMT -5
^ I agree, it's the OP's fault for taking the quote out of context. It's taken a on a life of it's own now ;D sorry, orangina, i don't think your original post was very clear at all if you were looking for something beyond a discussion about cosmetics. or maybe others are just looking too deeply into this thread for some sort of meaning that was never there? and yes, celtriya looks drastically different! when did you bleach your hair? |
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Post by avax on Nov 30, 2007 3:13:05 GMT -5
did you put on a lot of makeup in that pic? Naturally. |
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Post by jenming on Nov 30, 2007 3:35:19 GMT -5
did you put on a lot of makeup in that pic? Naturally. hahahahaha, Touché! |
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Post by daisypukes on Nov 30, 2007 3:54:57 GMT -5
@zoff: Perhaps subconciously, but it doesn't change the point. Okay, here's an example: I hate when guys wear polo shirts. I think it makes them look stupid and unattractive. But you know what? I bet the guys who wear polo shirts think they look good in them and will continue wearing them no matter what I think of it. Because they like themselves in that kind of ridiculous outfit. And there are probably tons of girls out there that think that's cute.
We all dress and adorn ourselves to our own liking. Perhaps, subconsciously, we are trying to attract someone who is into the same look as we are into. We adorn ourselves in a way that makes us feel beautiful and in doing so, we attract someone who has a similar idea of what beautiful is.
I like putting on make-up. I think it's fun. ;D Plus it takes half an hour tops, it's not like I'm spending hours in the bathroom. I have a pretty quick, steady hand when it comes to make-up, after all, I've been applying it for a decade now.
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Post by elle on Nov 30, 2007 4:23:11 GMT -5
You know what's funny - my (rather paltry) makeup collection has probably tripled since coming to Japan. I didn't realize it at the time, but this idea of 'unprofessionalism' has probably subconsciously been driven into me because ALL WOMEN HERE wear S H I T LOADS of makeup once they get out of high school. The most noticeable being the thick, pale foundation. Ugh. You can always tell because their skin changes color at their neck. The kids here call them "makeup monsters." It's rather amusing.
yeh, if i hadn't been in tokyo myself i woudln't have believed it was possible to be that superficial.. every single bathroom had a huge make up counter and it would always be full of girls adjusting their already perfect make up!!!
i think part of the attitude to make up is cultural and the type of friends you have.
ie. it's normal and expected to wear a lot of make up in central tokyo perhaps. In London you see a lot of women wearing no make up (critically speaking it's very unpleasing on the eye in a lot of cases).
Also, I noticed some friends who joined big firms, particularly in law or finance, and particularly if you are dealing with clients are very much more inclined to be very aware of their presentation and not only spend lots of clothes-but definteily make up. Some jobs really dont require that and it would almost seem inappropriate to wear so much-things more community based or dealing with the elderly etc.
I dont beleive in wearing a lot! but not all girls are born with perfect skin! it's not their fault! therefore make up helps a LOT! i mean even supermodels look like sh*t without make up! it's a known fact. and if you dont beleive that google that.
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Post by Mr Brad Pitt on Nov 30, 2007 19:02:38 GMT -5
Is it just me or did the context of your question radically mutate into a discussion of cosmetics? It was all about cosmetics from the beginning  |
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Post by Mr Brad Pitt on Nov 30, 2007 19:07:20 GMT -5
sorry, orangina, i don't think your original post was very clear at all if you were looking for something beyond a discussion about cosmetics. or maybe others are just looking too deeply into this thread for some sort of meaning that was never there? Discussing about make-up derivates to personality, society-moulded reactions or just L'Oréal chit-chat... interesting to see up to what point this can lead  |
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Post by Mr Brad Pitt on Nov 30, 2007 19:13:40 GMT -5
I dont beleive in wearing a lot! but not all girls are born with perfect skin! it's not their fault! therefore make up helps a LOT! i mean even supermodels look like sh*t without make up! it's a known fact. and if you dont beleive that google that. Ok so imagine the pretty full maked-up lil' japanese coming, say, in London... the effect would be in her disfavour in Europe, so she wouldn't be considered as pretty there. And provided that she would be prone to adapt and wear 1kg of make-up instead of 10 usually... she probably wouldn't feel beautiful. |
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Post by xandra on Nov 30, 2007 22:55:05 GMT -5
You must admit though that the reason people want to look beautiful is to attract a mate, whether its conscious or subconsious, that is the only real reason for anyone to want to look good, because looks have no other practical purpose. I still think it's a waste of time. I actually think women dress more for other women than for men. I know I get way more compliments on my outfits from other women than I do from men. And yes, this is a generalization, but I feel like guys care more about what you're showing (or not showing) than say, how cute your shoes are or how stylish your belt is. It can actually be fun. Yeah, it's a pain if you're running late for school/work but if you feel like playing around with colour or you're going out and want to look a little more dramatic it's enjoyable. For me, anyway. |
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Post by miaim on Nov 30, 2007 23:28:24 GMT -5
I know I get way more compliments on my outfits from other women than I do from men. too true....straight men don't notice the details.... as for make-up: don't wear any makeup except mascara and a couple of my japanese colleagues don't, either....but it's mainly cuz i'm lazy...my nails would be a mess too if nail salons weren't so cheap here.... i generally find it's more about how confident you feel about your skin - and yeah, you look better in photos with foundation....except regular application of foundation takes its toll on your skin, so it becomes a sort of self-fulfilling prophecy.... peace |
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Post by fatcat on Dec 1, 2007 4:33:24 GMT -5
Is styling one's hair just as "bad" as applying make-up?I find it makes the most difference as to how polished I look.
How about dying hair a "funky" color.Is it the same as applying colorful eyeshadow?...Or does it bear more "artistic merit"?...
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I've had a couple of bfs tell me that they don't like it when I wear make-up in the past, that I look better without it. If my wearing it had anything to do with whether it made me more or less attractive to a mate, I would have stopped then. But it's not all about you, boys. Some guys like made up women, some don't. Not all guys are into the natural look. And even if they were, I'd still wear make-up whenever the mood hits me, because I happen to like how I look with it on.
