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Post by ConceptDesign on Aug 30, 2007 1:34:20 GMT -5
Yes and No. I would have no problems with hunting and slaughtering an animal per se. However both tasks are time consuming, messy and extremely hard yakka. Jut like maintaining a yard. All that weeding, watering, mowing, planting, picking-up neighbours dog crap and etc...
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Post by daisypukes on Aug 30, 2007 2:24:23 GMT -5
You get adjusted to dietary changes fairly quickly, so I'm sure you'll be out of that meat rehab, soon. After a year or two the cravings will be gone. And after a few more years just tasting something that tastes like it has something in it (even though you know it doesn't) makes you cringe. It's weird how familiarity does that. Although, I never went through meat rehab (cute term, BTW) since I didn't grow up eating meat. But I definitely went through dairy and egg product rehab in my teens. God that was difficult for awhile there.
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Post by 0 on Aug 30, 2007 3:43:09 GMT -5
Holy crap...I just read what I just wrote and...dayum...I didn't think I could still be that bitchy over such little (and arguably nonexistent) provocation. Must remember to take my antipsychotic meds... It's all part of your charm. Don't go changin...
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Post by clara on Aug 30, 2007 5:10:45 GMT -5
Actually a while ago there was a programme on the BBC called "kill it, cook it, eat it"... and basically as the title suggests, a group of people watched a baby lamb being torn away from its flock, slaughtered, skinned, gutted and hacked up into various cutlets, then oven roasted and served up with spuds and veg.
I suppose the idea of the programme was that the people would appreciate the connection between that piece of juicy steak and an actual live animal. Although I'm not convinced the experiment actually served its purpose as once the meat was cooked, dished up in gravy and disguised by various other condiments, the people were happily to gobble down the lot without a second thought. Although there were the obligatory tears and mild hysteria at the time of slaughter.
I'm practically vegetarian, moreso for health over ethical reasons but my brother has shot pigeons, then made a roast out of it... he seemed to get some kind of pleasure from hunting, cooking & eating the results.
As an aside, one thing that really bothers me (even though it may sound petty) - you know those celeb reality shows in the jungle... we have one called "im a celeb, get me out of here"... where one of the "challenges" is to eat a live widgetty grub... (Errr... poor widgetty grub!?!)
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Post by Ajeno on Aug 30, 2007 6:34:04 GMT -5
Great replies everyone. its a fair question. my family has a farm in the philippines and i've done my share of slaughtering or playing witness..... i LOVE the taste of meat, but have gradually eliminated it from my diet. first to go was pork (rationale: best friend was a pig + charlottes web).. then all red meat after the farm experience (cow slaughter is not fun).... so eliminating red meat was easy. i was a chicken/fish eater for the longest time but that has recently changed, catalyzed by pet shrimp, documentaries on lobster migrations and an afternoon on the farm (a different one) with a hen, her chick and a vigilant rooster. sh*t, i can't even crush cockroaches anymore.... (i now escort them out of the house like royalty). In fact, I've gone completely weaksauce for such stupid and laughable reasons. Something is wrong. Ive become like that too in regards to meat and ive been eating less and less of it for a long time now.That cow i saw on Tv took the cake and grossed me out so who knows when ill eat red meat again.My family has a farm too where they raise cows, pigs,chickens etc but they rarely kill the cows.I remember my grandfather use to snap the necks of the chickens to kill them =|.I never saw him kill the other animals but they told me the animals squeal in agony. I can still smash the crap out of a roach though. (btw I like how this thread reads "Would you still eat me.." from the parent forum list) Lol..I noticed that right after i posted the thread.
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Post by cjsdad on Aug 30, 2007 8:36:41 GMT -5
Holy crap...I just read what I just wrote and...dayum...I didn't think I could still be that bitchy over such little (and arguably nonexistent) provocation. Must remember to take my antipsychotic meds... No worries Enid. As CS said, we wouldn't want the watered down version of you. But I think this gets to the root of what I was trying to say. People get all bent out of shape and VERY vocal when it comes to animal rights/meat industry/vegan/vegetarian issues. As I reread the entire thread, I noticed that I also seemed to have my panties in a bunch just a bit. Reason- we recently had a vegan and a vegetarian employed at our office. BOTH were very... 1) vocal 2) condescending 3) preachy 4) required the majority to bend to their wishes when community food was being ordered/prepared ie. when drug reps would bring free lunch, they would require the docs to call the reps ahead of time in order to have a specially prepped dish for them. Or if the docs were buying lunch, require them to purchase a separate plate for them, when we were paying catering style- read...added expense. Bottom line....they totally pissed me off. I just felt like, if I was employed by the "Totally cool Hindu dudes Medical association sponsored by Paul McCartney and the Late Linda McCartney"......I would UNDERSTAND that I'd be eating veggies at company sponsored meals. And if I didn't like it, my own ass would be responsible for providing my own meal, rather than sitting there like a whiny little bitch expecting others to bend to my sanctimonious will. *deep breath* Ok, see what I mean? I think deciding what you eat for moral or religious or health reasons is totally cool. Just don't expect others to accept what YOU believe as the word of god/truth because it IS NOT. A little bit of meat, not in excess, is NOT bad for you. Ask a nutritionist. Ask a dietician...if you don't believe me. Hell, I really don't care if you believe me. "poisoned meat" is just as likely as "poisoned veggies". But people can CHOOSE to drink alcohol and "poison" themselves, smoke a cig, eat a bit of red meat, and engage in questionable sexual practices (between 2 consenting adults) if they damn well please, and should be able to without some half-cocked self important pompous ass telling them that they can't. Or shouldn't. Just my .02$.
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Post by daisypukes on Aug 30, 2007 8:54:11 GMT -5
^I understand where you're coming from. I went off without really thinking about it because I generally get a lot of flak for being vegan without actually giving people flak myself. Your tone seemed a bit condescending so I flipped out. But I know what you mean about vegans/vegetarians trying to be holier-than-thou to other people. I admit, I was like that as a vegan teen, especially right after I went from vegetarian to vegan. But I feel like I've weeded that part of myself out (long ago), and I try to be very accepting of other people's lifestyle choices. Yet sometimes when I tell people I'm vegan they get hostile to me immediately (possibly because they've met judgmental vegan/vegetarians in the past) and because of that I've gotten a lot of s*** without giving any myself. Which makes me extremely defensive whenever the subject comes up.
As far as processed meat goes. It's true, it's about as bad for you as any processed food. When it comes to organic processed foods, sometimes you can't even know for sure if it's REALLY organic or if it's just what the label says. Such is the food industry, shiny labels telling you what you're getting aside, you never really know. But I do believe that meat is unhealthy for you. Most of the nutrients found in meat can be found elsewhere, so it isn't impossible to have a healthy diet completely free of meat products. As far as eggs and dairy go, that bit I'm even more certain of the safety of going without. Especially milk. Cow milk was never meant for human consumption, and as much as the dairy industry likes to obsess about how great it is for your bones, in reality heavy dairy consumption can lead to quite a few illnesses in itself. In the end, most food you eat is both bad and good for you in different ways. It's just what you want to put in your body that matters. And specific (whether spurred by religion or not) morals tend to play a part. Meat-eaters can be very sensitive (or down right hostile) to vegans/vegeterians, just as easily (if not more so, since there ARE more of them) as vegans/vegetarians are to them.
I remember one bf I had who was a huge meateater (I never ONCE questioned his choices) basically went off on me about my choices simply because when he asked why I was vegan I gave him a truthful answer. He immediately assumed that I was being holier-than-thou, even though I was only telling him why, and was a complete s*** to me about it in the conversation we had. Fortunately for him, he apologized later. But that incident and others like it have definitely put me on the defensive about my dietary choices.
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Post by rob on Aug 30, 2007 9:07:26 GMT -5
Ive become like that too in regards to meat and ive been eating less and less of it for a long time now.That cow i saw on Tv took the cake and grossed me out so who knows when ill eat red meat again.My family has a farm too where they raise cows, pigs,chickens etc but they rarely kill the cows.I remember my grandfather use to snap the necks of the chickens to kill them =|.I never saw him kill the other animals but they told me the animals squeal in agony. I can still smash the crap out of a roach though.and that's what separates a moralist from a pantheist!
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Post by ConceptDesign on Aug 30, 2007 9:09:10 GMT -5
I just bought a BBQ. My meat intake has increased dramatically.
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Post by lo1337a on Aug 31, 2007 0:54:45 GMT -5
^ You do realize that soy farming is responsible for more rainforest destruction than cattle farming right?
Just taking the piss.
I'm a flexatarian. When I live by myself, I don't go out of my way to buy meat and do as best I can to make a lot of stuff homemade, pastries, ice cream and such, so I can confidently say there isn't refined sugar or fillers in them (I figure if I'm making it anyway, go the extra mile). I've grown into the habit of making everything I bake (+ pancakes) vegan, if only because it's the most versatile thing to have around.
General eating-wise, I eat mostly veggie things, and living close to NYC makes that very easy since there are so many good veg and full (and even raw) vegan places. If I'm in a place where it's going to be a problem, then I can eat a burger pretty much without guilt.
When I'm at my parents'/any filipino relatives' house and say "I don't eat meat, Mom, remember?", she goes "That's ok, I made you fish!" This has gone on for 6 years now. Some of my relatives actually remember and when I go over for dinner, they give me vegetable udon...made with chicken broth, but it's the thought that counts. It's just a cultural difference that I've learned to accept. But when it's my turn to cook, they know not to expect porkchops.
I'd actually prefer to eat meat that I had killed myself. I'd feel better about it. At least you can can raise the cow and give it a good life. My problems with the meat industry have more to do with general American agribusiness policy of raping the land, treating the animals poorly, and really, just producing a sub-standard product compared to the rest of the world. At least if I raise my own cow, I know it was healthy and know what kind of diet it had.
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Post by attilathehun513 on Dec 26, 2007 0:02:08 GMT -5
You had to hunt or buy it then slaughter it? I was watching a documentary called Guerilla Girl that was about a girl who joined a guerilla army in Columbia and they made her slit the throat of a cow that was tied to a tree.The cow was in agony bleeding to death and when they cut it up there was a dead calf inside.All this kinda bothered me alittle because thats basically what happens at slaughter-houses eh..So would you? If I had no other choice But I think the slaughter part is pretty fun, but not the hunting as it would be more of hassle.
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Post by JohnCoolYoungHistory on Dec 27, 2007 2:00:31 GMT -5
The only way your scenario would work in my head is if my living conditions forced me to... sorta like being a Native American Indian and living in the wild and hunting for my food.
In that case I would do it without hesitation, and I think most people would as well as they did back in the day.
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Post by attilathehun513 on Dec 27, 2007 22:45:11 GMT -5
This will be my last post today; to be honest with everybody, I think PETA is really hypocrical; one of their campaigns in improving the conditions for factory animals has actually raisen the meat consumption in the state! And of course, meat producers are awfully happy they have PETA on their side!
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Post by Ajeno on Dec 30, 2007 8:36:56 GMT -5
If I had no other choice But I think the slaughter part is pretty fun, but not the hunting as it would be more of hassle. Pretty fun as in you've done it before? no, i don't like to think where my meat comes from, because i know it's not pleasant. i like when my food doesn't look like animals. i don't eat baby animals though, like veal...not that that really makes any difference. i'm trying to wean myself off of red meat, for environmental/ethical reasons, but i'm anaemic and i just faint all over the place if i don't get beef or whatever from time to time. plus, sometimes i just crave a burger. overall, i just like meat too much. and there is no WAY i could EVER be vegan. i've tried that vegan ice cream and i am not a fan. Yeah really I dont wanna know where it comes from either =| I havent eaten redmeat since i made this thread mostly because ive been turned off by it but ive been tempted to. The only way your scenario would work in my head is if my living conditions forced me to... sorta like being a Native American Indian and living in the wild and hunting for my food. In that case I would do it without hesitation, and I think most people would as well as they did back in the day. True i would too. Some people still hunt there own food though or buy it and kill it themselves and thye really dont have to.
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Post by viruslabrat on Dec 30, 2007 9:45:02 GMT -5
I love animals but I still choose to eat meat. I don't eat very much of it and I do get anaemic from time to time. I don't know how I'd be able to get all the iron I need without resorting to supplements if I didn't eat meat. I'd still eat it if I had to kill the animal myself. Then at least I would know it had been killed humanely and had been looked after.
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