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Post by telliecoin on Nov 23, 2006 17:11:49 GMT -5
i like the necklace aww hogan is so sweetly flattering.. hapaliceinwonderland : you aren't chubs .. and most people look tired and strained when they are tired and strained.. are you alright? maybe you need more rest and relaxation time.. take care!
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Post by Hogan on Nov 23, 2006 17:18:24 GMT -5
Marie do you have anymore jewelry pieces to post? If so please post more! oh and don't worry, I'll give it a rest, I promise.
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Post by mukashi on Nov 23, 2006 17:26:04 GMT -5
This is cool! What is the process to make it?
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Post by hapalicious on Nov 23, 2006 17:44:35 GMT -5
oh ! there are 2 ways to do it ! since i didn t have time to finish it the easy way i did both... 1) you can start by sculpting the overall shape in wax....then you saw the top off, cut the amphora in half, and scoop out the inside with burrs.... then, with the lost wax technique, you melt it down into silver and weld the 3 elements back together, file and do the finishing .... the welding is the worst part since silver is horrible to weld..... nickel and gold is ok, but silver is very bothersome......other than that this is the easy way ! 2) you can emboss/stamp the metal into shape with a hammer and the right tools, and saw the little handles.... the scooping out process should be made easier, since you re starting with 3 seperate elements and not carving an amphora that you ll end up sawing into pieces.... but then it takes longer, and it s more difficult to get the shape you want.... what i did is i started by making a small wax amphora which i couldn t entirely finish, so i had to do the rest (scooping out, embossing) with the silver itself...then soldering ( hard), and engraving....not the best technique...i usually opt for the first one ! edit : difficult, not diddicult
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Post by Hogan on Nov 23, 2006 17:52:36 GMT -5
^ I've a question regarding the welding part of it. I know they use a different kind of torch....actually i don't know...but I assume... But is it basically the same as spot welding or Arc welding?
edit: I mean technique wise. Like controlling the bead and all that
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Post by mukashi on Nov 23, 2006 17:55:35 GMT -5
Well, flying filings and all, it's worth the effort - looks great! You are wearing EYE protection, right? I'm always telling my friends this when I see them working with tools. Having a blind parent makes you a little paranoid in that department!
I used to make art pieces in wax and affix a wax stem to the piece. Then, I'd submerge it in plaster with the stem sticking out. When the plaster hardened, I'd stick it in an over and then a centerfuge, which melted and expelled all the wax. At that point, I'd pour in the melted metal and wait for it to cool. Smash up the plaster, then deburr/polish the finished piece.
It's probably been 30 years since I did that!!!
edit: i think the molten metal may have been put back with the centerfuge as well...I can't remember. Doh!
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Post by hapalicious on Nov 23, 2006 18:04:58 GMT -5
^ I've a question regarding the welding part of it. I know they use a different kind of torch....actually i don't know...but I assume... But is it basically the same as spot welding or Arc welding? edit: I mean technique wise. Like controlling the bead and all that nope...it s actually very different....our torches are more "manual" and much smaller.... www.jewelrybyemmy.com/images/studio/jewelry_torch.jpgmine actually works with an air pump pedal ( last seen in the 30s....but then this workshop i m in dates from the 20s ) !!! so i exercise and solder at the same time ! pretty neat huh ?
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Post by hapalicious on Nov 23, 2006 18:10:12 GMT -5
Well, flying filings and all, it's worth the effort - looks great! You are wearing EYE protection, right? I'm always telling my friends this when I see them working with tools. Having a blind parent makes you a little paranoid in that department! I used to make art pieces in wax and affix a wax stem to the piece. Then, I'd submerge it in plaster with the stem sticking out. When the plaster hardened, I'd stick it in an over and then a centerfuge, which melted and expelled all the wax. At that point, I'd pour in the melted metal and wait for it to cool. Smash up the plaster, then deburr/polish the finished piece. It's probably been 30 years since I did that!!! edit: i think the molten metal may have been put back with the centerfuge as well...I can't remember. Doh! !!! that s the technique i usually use....but since the plaster was ready to be used and i hadn t finished the wax yet i had to submerge my crappy wax and then do the rest in silver ! but that s exactly it ! yup ! i wear eye protection ! ps : where did you learn to do that ? did you use to do metalwork ? any pics !? ;D
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Post by cheeseprata on Nov 23, 2006 18:12:22 GMT -5
I would just like to say...I like the idea of a thread called "arts and crafts"... ...it has a nice ring to it...
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Post by Hogan on Nov 23, 2006 18:24:49 GMT -5
^ I've a question regarding the welding part of it. I know they use a different kind of torch....actually i don't know...but I assume... But is it basically the same as spot welding or Arc welding? edit: I mean technique wise. Like controlling the bead and all that nope...it s actually very different....our torches are more "manual" and much smaller.... www.jewelrybyemmy.com/images/studio/jewelry_torch.jpgmine actually works with an air pump pedal ( last seen in the 30s....but then this workshop i m in dates from the 20s ) !!! so i exercise and solder at the same time ! pretty neat huh ? oh cool. Do you always use such an orange flame (like in that pic ^)? and funny about that exercise bit , just be sure to alternate legs so one doesn't get bigger than the other So is welding your least favourite thing to do in the Jewelry process?
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Post by mukashi on Nov 24, 2006 9:18:06 GMT -5
ps : where did you learn to do that ? did you use to do metalwork ? any pics !? ;D Jr. High school, metalshop class. I'd make what looked like rings but where really interlocking pieces for brass knuckles. Then I started making brass versions of plastic toy pieces (yes, not my design) as the plastic melted in the oven as well. I eventually started designing my own game pieces out of wax and making those. I don't have any left...
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Post by ladystacey on Nov 25, 2006 15:27:45 GMT -5
I'm a arts and crafts junkie, I make stuff all the time most of the time I give them away because it just piles up in my sewing room. I should take pic of all the stuff I make but I always forget to before I end up giving them away but here some pics of my stuff. A handbag I made I did a swap and the theme was indian hindu dieties it was fun Pillows I made for my old couch now they are in the basement because they don't match my new couch:( A little nightlight I made for a friend Beaded work Random cards I made
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Post by jenming on Nov 26, 2006 20:56:00 GMT -5
Plus I tend to get sawdust everywhere. silver lining. Everywhere is a comfy place to sleep.
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Post by ladystacey on Nov 27, 2006 12:08:34 GMT -5
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Post by ladystacey on Nov 29, 2006 15:33:55 GMT -5
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