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Post by calikid on Oct 13, 2008 16:23:37 GMT -5
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Post by straylight on Oct 14, 2008 16:42:46 GMT -5
Heh, I had to turn off that video the second I heard the music, sorry. To answer your question though: Situps/cruches/leglifts (all or one) -- and lose your body fat through cardio. Run/cycle/swim/whatever. Get your heartrate up daily and eat right. More protein (for muscle building), less carbs, and don't go over your caloric intake. You could do all the situps in the world, but if you have a layer of fat on you, then you will never see muscle definition.
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Post by ChickenSoda on Oct 15, 2008 0:58:03 GMT -5
According to the video, be Asian.
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Post by cm on Oct 15, 2008 1:45:14 GMT -5
Who the f*** needs a six pack? I don't see the point in it besides the 'look'. Is it worth with all the dietary changes and intense exercise regiments needed? If you want to get a 6pack for women, it'd be much more beneficial for not only your dating life but also your business life to develop charisma. I just don't see the big deal about developing a 6 pack. I got near it one summer, and all the work really wasn't worth it IMO. It's something you either are born with or not.
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Post by dead0baby0chick on Oct 15, 2008 1:54:10 GMT -5
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Post by cm on Oct 15, 2008 2:20:50 GMT -5
Man, I have a black friend who looks like an olympic body builder. The funny thing is, he doesn't diet, and doesn't run, and barely lifts any weights. In conclusion, life is not fair!
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Post by swinger on Oct 15, 2008 2:22:19 GMT -5
Get $10, go to the 7-11, buy six-pack, enjoy.
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Post by cm on Oct 15, 2008 2:39:57 GMT -5
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Post by straylight on Oct 15, 2008 2:51:24 GMT -5
It's something you either are born with or not. I'm not sure what you're saying here.. Are you saying that being healthy is something you're born with? ;D Or are you saying that the literal appearance of a six-pack is not always attained by everybody? That I could agree with. Some people's muscles are shaped in a way where it could just show as 4 abdominal muscles, instead of 6. It could even be someone with a very small percentage of body fat and who has dedicated themselves to fitness just as much as anyone. I know someone who is the healthiest person I can think of personally..but she fits in the "4 abdominals" category. -- edit -- It should also be said that women really aren't supposed to have a big six pack anyways. They don't develop muscle in the same way that men do... nor should they want to take that route (eww). My friend basically does have one, but her muscles are natural. To get a bigger bottom lower ab, she'd have to be some freak injecting herself with steroids or something. Anyways, if you're showing any muscle definition at all, then you're in good shape. And being in good shape is not something we're, unfortunately, born with (just to state the obvious).
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Post by cm on Oct 20, 2008 1:40:44 GMT -5
It's something you either are born with or not. I'm not sure what you're saying here.. Are you saying that being healthy is something you're born with? ;D Or are you saying that the literal appearance of a six-pack is not always attained by everybody? That I could agree with. Some people's muscles are shaped in a way where it could just show as 4 abdominal muscles, instead of 6. It could even be someone with a very small percentage of body fat and who has dedicated themselves to fitness just as much as anyone. I know someone who is the healthiest person I can think of personally..but she fits in the "4 abdominals" category. -- edit -- It should also be said that women really aren't supposed to have a big six pack anyways. They don't develop muscle in the same way that men do... nor should they want to take that route (eww). My friend basically does have one, but her muscles are natural. To get a bigger bottom lower ab, she'd have to be some freak injecting herself with steroids or something. Anyways, if you're showing any muscle definition at all, then you're in good shape. And being in good shape is not something we're, unfortunately, born with (just to state the obvious). It's not about eating healthy. Tons of people eat healthy, diet and exercise for months on end, and barely get anything. Some eat anything from McDonalds and get a six pack after dieting for a couple of weeks. Sure, anybody can 'technically' get a 6 pack. But do you want to be eating broiled chicken and wheat rice everyday? At that point, there is no point in doing so. I did that for 1 year, and got a little 4. It clearly wasn't worth the effort. I'd rather work on my finances or charisma, which are much more important areas in life in general, to lure women, than to eat broiled chicken and wheat rice everyday of the week in my life.
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Post by straylight on Oct 20, 2008 16:08:36 GMT -5
First off, man: No. Just... no. Second off, I don't give a f*** what this has to do with "luring" women. I wasn't in this thread for that. I was here to answer calikid's question plainly, until you came along and actually tried to "debate" the facts of a healthy diet and exercise. Anyhow... You're not going to "not get anything" from exercise and diet. That's just bizarre that you're even trying to say that. You will prevent fat gain, and burn the fat that you do have from cardio workouts and a proper diet. Will. It is science, and just a simple matter of math and proper timing. There are no opinions here. There are no exceptions to the rule. There are no magical fairy people where this only happens to. It is a fact of life. People, all people, get in better shape through good diet and exercise. I don't know who you're trying to kid here, but it's not me. I'm not a fitness trainer, but I know enough about the subject to be a dick about it. And I will be a dick about it. You're not only insulting simply for spouting off these inane things like any of this is actually up for debate, but you're insulting for taking the credit away from people who invest their time to get into shape. You're just chalking it up to them being special or something. I'll break down some basics on why some people fail (besides the obvious points of being lazy and not caring): Besides fatty foods in general, carbs are a big reason, since there are so many of them in most people's daily meals. And you will lose weight by cutting off carbs in your diet, and actually spending the energy from the carbs that you do happen to eat. They're specifically meant for giving the muscles a quick energy boost, and are useless otherwise. When you consume them, they are broken down into glucose, fructose and galactose sugars, and are ready to be expended through physical activity. If they are not used right away, they are stored as glycogen. If you already have an excess of glycogen, then they are converted as fat. And with the amount of carbs people eat, A LOT of it is stored as fat. And there is only so much fat one can work off unconsciously through basic daily tasks and exercises. This is the type of excess fat that needs to be attacked with hard work. Every bit of pasta, sugary food, rice, potato, or piece of bread that you're eating, and not working off, is contributing to your body fat. If you must absolutely have a ton of them (as people want to do), then you simply need to work it off. You also really shouldn't eat too much of them when you know you're going to be sleeping. If something is going to be carb heavy, it's best reserved for breakfast or lunch really -- and that's really only ideal if you have an active daytime lifestyle or job. This is all especially important during a period when you're really looking into losing weight and want to take things seriously. Later on, it's a little more safe to slack off. That isn't to say that carbs are bad and should be avoided completely. People should just know what they're main benefit and function is, and should time their meals better. And then exercise! It's not the crucial food group at a time of out-of-shapeness though -- you don't need the excess energy -- you're already have fat. Therefore, you can get energy from the fat in your very body, and will see quicker results of weight loss by burning that instead anyways. The same goes for fatty foods (fat, like carbs, are another source of energy). You need to cut down on them, and expend what your body has first and foremost. Secondly, if someone is exercising, but still eating like this, then it's a bit of two steps forward one step back situation. They're not optimizing. It has nothing to do with them simply not being able to lose weight. They're just not eating right, or at least, not timing things right. On the flipside, if someone is eating less of these things, but then, not exercising enough, then they're merely maintaining something close to the weight and shape that they already were. They might cut off some pounds by simply dieting, but not enough to really notice. OK, enough of that subject.. On to the main subject of the thread..the abdomen muscles. First off, protein and resistance exercises (as opposed to cardio/strictly fat burning exercises like I mentioned above). Unlike carbs (energy), proteins have a ton of purposes... but basically, they are the building blocks for all organisms (I hate to sound condescending here and speak the obvious, but you forced me to). For the purpose of this post, I'll only mention it's benefit as a building block for muscles specifically. To get healthy looking abs, not only do you need to do something like what I mentioned above -- cut off the bad elements in your diet and partake in more cardio -- but you need to also fill up on protein, and then do resistance exercises. To simplify it, eat more meat and do more situps. They will grow if you stick with it. No one is immune to this. Also, if you only burned fat, then you still really won't really show much definition in your abs (or any of your muscles for that matter) unless you build those muscles up.
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Post by straylight on Oct 20, 2008 16:22:25 GMT -5
I should also point out that I don't think "six packs" are necessary either! In case I was mistaken or something. A healthy physique is pretty important though, and that can be a byproduct of it. There's nothing wrong with a little fat though.
I don't know... I just felt like clearing that up.. I feel like I'm arguing in between two extreme points of view here. And for a completely different reason than what this thread is probably about (mere vanity).
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Post by cm on Oct 20, 2008 21:28:47 GMT -5
First off, man: No. Just... no. Second off, I don't give a f**k what this has to do with "luring" women. I wasn't in this thread for that. I was here to answer calikid's question plainly, until you came along and actually tried to "debate" the facts of a healthy diet and exercise. Anyhow... You're not going to "not get anything" from exercise and diet. That's just bizarre that you're even trying to say that. You will prevent fat gain, and burn the fat that you do have from cardio workouts and a proper diet. Will. It is science, and just a simple matter of math and proper timing. There are no opinions here. There are no exceptions to the rule. There are no magical fairy people where this only happens to. It is a fact of life. People, all people, get in better shape through good diet and exercise. I don't know who you're trying to kid here, but it's not me. I'm not a fitness trainer, but I know enough about the subject to be a dick about it. And I will be a dick about it. You're not only insulting simply for spouting off these inane things like any of this is actually up for debate, but you're insulting for taking the credit away from people who invest their time to get into shape. You're just chalking it up to them being special or something. I'll break down some basics on why some people fail (besides the obvious points of being lazy and not caring): Besides fatty foods in general, carbs are a big reason, since there are so many of them in most people's daily meals. And you will lose weight by cutting off carbs in your diet, and actually spending the energy from the carbs that you do happen to eat. They're specifically meant for giving the muscles a quick energy boost, and are useless otherwise. When you consume them, they are broken down into glucose, fructose and galactose sugars, and are ready to be expended through physical activity. If they are not used right away, they are stored as glycogen. If you already have an excess of glycogen, then they are converted as fat. And with the amount of carbs people eat, A LOT of it is stored as fat. And there is only so much fat one can work off unconsciously through basic daily tasks and exercises. This is the type of excess fat that needs to be attacked with hard work. Every bit of pasta, sugary food, rice, potato, or piece of bread that you're eating, and not working off, is contributing to your body fat. If you must absolutely have a ton of them (as people want to do), then you simply need to work it off. You also really shouldn't eat too much of them when you know you're going to be sleeping. If something is going to be carb heavy, it's best reserved for breakfast or lunch really -- and that's really only ideal if you have an active daytime lifestyle or job. This is all especially important during a period when you're really looking into losing weight and want to take things seriously. Later on, it's a little more safe to slack off. That isn't to say that carbs are bad and should be avoided completely. People should just know what they're main benefit and function is, and should time their meals better. And then exercise! It's not the crucial food group at a time of out-of-shapeness though -- you don't need the excess energy -- you're already have fat. Therefore, you can get energy from the fat in your very body, and will see quicker results of weight loss by burning that instead anyways. The same goes for fatty foods (fat, like carbs, are another source of energy). You need to cut down on them, and expend what your body has first and foremost. Secondly, if someone is exercising, but still eating like this, then it's a bit of two steps forward one step back situation. They're not optimizing. It has nothing to do with them simply not being able to lose weight. They're just not eating right, or at least, not timing things right. On the flipside, if someone is eating less of these things, but then, not exercising enough, then they're merely maintaining something close to the weight and shape that they already were. They might cut off some pounds by simply dieting, but not enough to really notice. OK, enough of that subject.. On to the main subject of the thread..the abdomen muscles. First off, protein and resistance exercises (as opposed to cardio/strictly fat burning exercises like I mentioned above). Unlike carbs (energy), proteins have a ton of purposes... but basically, they are the building blocks for all organisms (I hate to sound condescending here and speak the obvious, but you forced me to). For the purpose of this post, I'll only mention it's benefit as a building block for muscles specifically. To get healthy looking abs, not only do you need to do something like what I mentioned above -- cut off the bad elements in your diet and partake in more cardio -- but you need to also fill up on protein, and then do resistance exercises. To simplify it, eat more meat and do more situps. They will grow if you stick with it. No one is immune to this. Also, if you only burned fat, then you still really won't really show much definition in your abs (or any of your muscles for that matter) unless you build those muscles up. 1. You're talking to somebody who participated in a sport where weight cutting was necessary to get by in Wrestling. 2. There is no evidence that having a 6 pack enhances one's health. Eating a healthy diet and exercising does not ensure a 6 pack either. You admit you aren't a pro. I've been a part time personal trainer for about 3 years. Trust me, I know about eating healthy. Eating health doesn't guarantee you a 6 pack. Many people don't have the body types geared to a 6 pack. There are 3 different types of body types: Endomorph, Ectomorph, and Mesomorph. Gaining a 6 pack is easy for ecto and mesomorophs. Endomorophs carry extra fat in their abdominal area, and have extreme trouble gaining 6 packs. The typical healthy diet consists of whole wheat carbohydrates which you limit, and a lot of protein which especially comes from white meats, fish, tofu, and beans. You can do all this, run a few times a week, and still barely get anything. The point is, it's a complete and utter waste of time. I don't see how you're doing it for any other reason than to lure women. Do you want males to be impressed with it? Does it make you feel confident? It's pointless. I just don't see the point of obsessive care of your health. You don't need to have a 6 pack to be healthy. It doesn't enhance your performance in most sports (unless you're a runner of course). It really doesn't matter unless you're a model, or using it to attract women.
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Post by straylight on Oct 21, 2008 5:30:16 GMT -5
Holy cow..
First, where did I say that "a six pack enhances one's health"? Lol. You word it that way and try to project a completely different focus of discussion on to me, like I'm the one concerned with "six packs" or something. I'm not. Like I said already, I didn't make this thread -- calikid did. I merely came in, answered a quick question for him, and promoted fitness and dieting. Whatever his intentions are, he isn't going to achieve anything without some work involved. I came here to tell him what he doesn't want to hear, and turn his attention away from superficial concerns about appearance, and get him to think about work.
I said that it is a result of good health. Not that it enhances health. Saying that it enhances health doesn't even make sense.
I still disagree with you in general though. Hell, this isn't even about disagreeing or not. Burning fat and building muscle results in clearer muscle definition. Simple as that. It's a fact. Fact. I don't care what muscle group we're talking about - abs, arms, legs, pectorals. This is not a political discussion. Whatever odd idea that came into your mind to make you dispute it and make this a "debate", then get it out. Because you are dead wrong in every conceivable way.
I said that I wasn't a trainer simply to not make this about me, and decided to just chart out some nuritional basics, and let them speak for themselves. It doesn't mean that I couldn't be a trainer. And it amazes me how some people, like you, could actually be so arrogant as to not see through that, and see it as an excuse to boost their credibility on what little they have. You snatch on the fact that I said that, try to discredit me for it, instead of addressed my points (and instead of addressing my points, you just kept harping on about picking up women. In fact, you're so out of your element with me that you have yet to address one single point of what I said, and instead, put words in mouth, saying things like "there is no evidence that a six pack enhances one's health"....as if I even said that anywhere here) -- and all in all, it's an dishonorable thing to try to do.
You're 21, felt like mentioning highschool experience and a part time training job to try to boost your credentials.... Fine. Want to play that way? I will say then that I've been been a martial arts student at the same school longer than you've been on earth..literally (since 6 years old, and I'm 31 now). I've skateboarded longer than you've been alive as well. I still do it. I have four missing teeth+bridge and plenty of scars to prove it. I bike, run, and swim. I own my own equipment. I played highschool sports (basketball), and I still play them recreationally. I'm an athletic individual, not a trainer, but that is a difference in career... not a difference in how active I am or what I can speak about. I've been severely out of shape just once, but that was because I was hospitalized and heavily medicated for months.
Anyhow, you're a walking insult to my intelligence, on many levels.. For trying to debate basic nutritional facts, for thinking that I have the same post-highschool obsessive mentality of "luring" women that young guys like yourselves do (I'm far too weary for such a thing, I'll say that much), for thinking that you can talk me down about physical fitness "credentials", when no matter how hard you tried, I'd still have 10 years on you, and you're only now getting at your body's final development stage where you can really put things to the test.
If it makes you feel better though, I won't slap you or argue again. I'd rather just slap myself for wasting my time thinking you had anything useful to say.
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Post by ChickenSoda on Oct 21, 2008 7:41:37 GMT -5
I kilt me a b'ar when I was only three.
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