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Post by straylight on Oct 21, 2008 9:16:31 GMT -5
I kilt me a b'ar when I was only three. ^ *sigh* Exactly why I didn't say anything personal at first. I go out of my way to take myself out of the equation in just about any discussion here, because all of that does on the internet is invite ridicule and jokes. Everyone's looking to skim things over and just dig out a reason to be a snarky bitch, trying to find the most clever way to enter a one-liner. Why didn't anyone make a smartass comment when "Zap" went there though? I made a few long ass posts just trying to give plain nutritional and fitness info in the most sterile, impersonal fashion, didn't care to make this about me, and only wanted to provide enough information to quell the fatalism he espouses in his posts... But what happens? The dude just tries to take advantage of it and makes me out to be disqualified -- he ignored whatever I said, and decides to just center his reply on the fact that I, admittedly, do not have a career as a fitness trainer. He thinks that's good enough to reason to qualify himself over me, regardless of the amount of actual information I'm providing, and starts talking about his highschool wrestling years.. So instead, I have to enter personal territory (which again, I did not care to) just to even make a point in this place, because no seems to appreciate facts on their own.. everything just amounts to a pissing contest, and if you're trying to make a point, it has to be reinforced with a big giant picture of one's dick right beside it.. Facts are never good enough on their own. You have to play this other stupid game that trolls force you to. And yet, even that doesn't work -- people ignore the troll, and would rather f**k with the person simply trying to have an actual discussion instead. I'm the one who gets the joke in the end, not him. Great!  And yeah, I'm complaining and being bitchy. So what. I don't care to hear your f***ing one liner, and see you s*** upon everything I've said, when I've tried nothing but be real and informative in this thread. I'm already pissed at it is because this other dude has been trolling me the whole time anyways, acting like he knows something about the subject, when it is clear that he knows little at all, and is another in a long line of internet kids jumping into a discussion, arguing for the sake of it....Else he'd shut the f**k up. Everything I've said is non-controversial sensible information. Not up for debate. None of it. The plain and simple fact is that work and dedication rewards anyone. It has nothing to do with fate. [edit] I do apologize for the long posts though, but I'm trying to cover as many bases as I can. I made a small brief post when I first replied to calikid, and all I've gotten is bullsh*t and mischaracterization from it. |
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Post by ChickenSoda on Oct 21, 2008 9:54:21 GMT -5
I kilt me a b'ar when I was only three. ^ *sigh* Exactly why I didn't say anything personal at first. Because all of that does on the internet is invite ridicule and jokes. Everyone's looking to skim things over and just dig out a reason to be a snarky bitch. Why didn't anyone make a smartass comment when he went there though? Why does that sh*t have to happen to me? I went out of my way and made a few long ass posts just trying to give plain nutritional and fitness info in the most sterile, impersonal fashion, didn't care to make this about me, and only wanted to provide enough information to quell the fatalism he espouses in his posts... But what happens? The dude just tries to take advantage of it and makes me out to be disqualified -- he ignored whatever I said, and decides to just center his reply on the fact that I, admittedly, do not have a career as a fitness trainer. He thinks that's good enough to reason to qualify himself over me, regardless of the amount of information I'm providing over him, and starts talking about his highschool wrestling years.. Give me a break. So instead, I have to enter personal territory (which again, I did not care to) just to even make a point in this place, because no seems to appreciate facts on their own.. everything just amounts to a pissing contest, and if you're trying to make a point, it has to be reinforced with a big giant picture of one's dick right beside it.. Facts are never good enough on their own. You have to play this other stupid game that trolls force you to. And yet, even that doesn't work -- people ignore the troll, and would rather f**k with the person trying to be real instead. I'm the one who gets the "b'ar" joke, not him. And yeah, I'm complaining and being bitchy. So what. This is some bullsh*t. I don't care to hear a stupid joke when I've tried nothing but be real and informative in this thread. I don't care to see everything I've typed up just sh*t upon by someone's one-liner. I'm already pissed at it is because this dude has been trolling me the whole time anyways, acting like he knows something about the subject, when it is clear that he knows little at all. Else he'd shut the f**k up. The plain and simple fact is that work and dedication rewards anyone. It has nothing to do with fate. That's one of the most retarded things I've heard in a long time, and I'm not going to let anyone spout that bullsh*t when I know better. [edit] I do apologize for the long posts though, but I'm trying to cover as many bases as I can. I made a small brief post when I first replied to calikid, and all I've gotten is bullsh*t and mischaracterization from it.  |
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Post by straylight on Oct 21, 2008 12:21:35 GMT -5
^ Oh look. Another sad passive-aggressive internet/gamer type who can't appreciate just having a discussion on the internet, but has to make a joke about anything and everything, and throw out yesterday's tired old photo memes, like he's doing something original. 4chan from 5 years ago called - it wants it's joke back. Anyhow, I really will cry now, and proudly use Van Der Beek's pic as my avatar. Nothing brings a tear to my eye more than bullsh*t (honestly, the fumes just really get to me in a bad way..it can't be helped).  |
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Post by ChickenSoda on Oct 21, 2008 14:53:20 GMT -5
I think that the juxtaposition of the image and the post are fitting. Judging by the ways that you've edited your post, so do you.
The fact that a simple, non-confrontational Davey Crockett reference sent you off on a half page tirade that underwent several revisions goes to show how insanely defensive you're being in a thread about f***ing fitness for christ's sake.
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Post by straylight on Oct 21, 2008 16:04:47 GMT -5
That's right. I'm defensive. Golly gee.. What? You make a joke at my expense, and I'm supposed to give you a handjob for it or something? Yeah, I know how it works. I'm supposed to be the "lesser guy" here now for not being another detached, smug dude like yourself, seeing no interest in a thread beyond making lame quips at people. I fail at the internet or something because I explain and invest my emotions into things, right? Seriously though, you've caught me at a time when I am really not into playing it the usual way. Sorry to disappoint you. [edit] Oh, and for the record.. the ninja edit was a coincidence. Swear it! I had edited it when you were posting the pic. I use the pic as an avatar to mock the idea that it's a bad thing to "care" on the internet. I'm being ironic. Anyhow... carry on. I think I've said enough in this thread.  |
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Post by calikid on Oct 21, 2008 16:19:02 GMT -5
Check out this kid...korean bruce lee
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Post by ChickenSoda on Oct 21, 2008 16:26:05 GMT -5
That's right. I'm defensive. Golly gee.. What? You make a joke at my expense, and I'm supposed to give you a handjob for it or something? Yeah, I know how it works. I'm supposed to be the "lesser guy" here now for not being another detached, smug dude like yourself, seeing no interest in a thread beyond making lame quips at people. I fail at the internet or something because I explain and invest my emotions into things, right? Seriously though, you've caught me at a time when I am really not into playing it the usual way. Sorry to disappoint you. I now realize that fitness can be a very emotional thing for some people, and I apologize if I've hurt your feelings. |
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Post by straylight on Oct 21, 2008 16:31:05 GMT -5
Damnit! I just edited my post AGAIN while you were replying.  Ok, I'm outta here for now. And uh, apology accepted..whether you're serious or not. |
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Post by cm on Oct 21, 2008 22:57:09 GMT -5
Holy cow.. First, where did I say that "a six pack enhances one's health"? Lol. You word it that way and try to project a completely different focus of discussion on to me, like I'm the one concerned with "six packs" or something. I'm not. Like I said already, I didn't make this thread -- calikid did. I merely came in, answered a quick question for him, and promoted fitness and dieting. Whatever his intentions are, he isn't going to achieve anything without some work involved. I came here to tell him what he doesn't want to hear, and turn his attention away from superficial concerns about appearance, and get him to think about work. I said that it is a result of good health. Not that it enhances health. Saying that it enhances health doesn't even make sense. I still disagree with you in general though. Hell, this isn't even about disagreeing or not. Burning fat and building muscle results in clearer muscle definition. Simple as that. It's a fact. Fact. I don't care what muscle group we're talking about - abs, arms, legs, pectorals. This is not a political discussion. Whatever odd idea that came into your mind to make you dispute it and make this a "debate", then get it out. Because you are dead wrong in every conceivable way. I said that I wasn't a trainer simply to not make this about me, and decided to just chart out some nuritional basics, and let them speak for themselves. It doesn't mean that I couldn't be a trainer. And it amazes me how some people, like you, could actually be so arrogant as to not see through that, and see it as an excuse to boost their credibility on what little they have. You snatch on the fact that I said that, try to discredit me for it, instead of addressed my points (and instead of addressing my points, you just kept harping on about picking up women. In fact, you're so out of your element with me that you have yet to address one single point of what I said, and instead, put words in mouth, saying things like "there is no evidence that a six pack enhances one's health"....as if I even said that anywhere here) -- and all in all, it's an dishonorable thing to try to do. You're 21, felt like mentioning highschool experience and a part time training job to try to boost your credentials.... Fine. Want to play that way? I will say then that I've been been a martial arts student at the same school longer than you've been on earth..literally (since 6 years old, and I'm 31 now). I've skateboarded longer than you've been alive as well. I still do it. I have four missing teeth+bridge and plenty of scars to prove it. I bike, run, and swim. I own my own equipment. I played highschool sports (basketball), and I still play them recreationally. I'm an athletic individual, not a trainer, but that is a difference in career... not a difference in how active I am or what I can speak about. I've been severely out of shape just once, but that was because I was hospitalized and heavily medicated for months. Anyhow, you're a walking insult to my intelligence, on many levels.. For trying to debate basic nutritional facts, for thinking that I have the same post-highschool obsessive mentality of "luring" women that young guys like yourselves do (I'm far too weary for such a thing, I'll say that much), for thinking that you can talk me down about physical fitness "credentials", when no matter how hard you tried, I'd still have 10 years on you, and you're only now getting at your body's final development stage where you can really put things to the test. If it makes you feel better though, I won't slap you or argue again. I'd rather just slap myself for wasting my time thinking you had anything useful to say. 10 years on me, yet you still haven't mentioned anything on 1. Body types 2. Genetics 3. Metabolism Which are major factors in regards to muscle mass and body fat%. You can't expect somebody born with a more slim body type to pack on muscle as easily as somebody born with a bigger body type. People born with slower metabolisms will obviously have a harder time getting a 6 pack. People with fast metabolisms can take all the weight gainer in the world and barely gain weight, while somebody with a slow metabolism can eat badly for a month and see a 20 lb weight gain. A Mexican Indian gains weight very easily due to metabolisms suited to convert every calorie they get into fat. An average Cambodian may be able to eat whatever he/she likes and not gain weight. Nobody disagrees that you can see more definition if you burn fat. The disagreement is how hard some have to work compared to others to maintain that type of body. You claim all this experience, yet you neglect to mention 3 of these very important factors. It's also funny that you take all of this as a personal attack, when I simply said that 'it's a waste of time' to get a 6 pack. And you STILL have not given me a valid reason for wanting a 6 pack. |
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Post by straylight on Oct 21, 2008 23:50:54 GMT -5
I mentioned metabolism much earlier in the thread. I think? It's an obvious issue though, and one I don't ignore. Dude, that isn't the disagreement at all! Everyone has their parameters, I know this. It's not like I charted out some specific caloric intake and regimen/one size fits all thing for people. I talked about general ideas. What I disagreed with was you were saying some people could not achieve any kind of state where they were physically toned. That it was fate/genetics/what have you. Now it sounds like you're in complete agreement with me.  ^ I wasn't getting pissed because of personal attacks per se, but because you kept changing the topic and started debating things against me that I didn't even say.. Things like the above -- I get irritated when I'm forced to discuss things I don't even advocate - not in the way you state them at least. This is what irritates me the most in internet discussions. It's like as if I was in a "What's your favorite color?" thread, and I said "Red", and some guy just kept hounding my ass on why he should like "Blue", demanding that I prove the worth of "Blue".. When I was simply "Red" guy from beginning... Or rather, I never said anyone should want a "six pack". Calikid did. He made the thread. I merely answered him and took a GENERAL stance on physical fitness issues. And then I say that a sixpack is a result of work and diet. From the start, I've kept my posts focused on cause, not effect. Surely, a six pack is an effect of someone investing a lot of time and effort into their health, but it isn't the only effect, and it isn't the main focus on why someone should want to be in shape in the first place. Make sense now? Maybe.. like Paul Newman said.. We just have a failure to communicate.  |
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Post by dead0baby0chick on Oct 21, 2008 23:53:11 GMT -5
Tsk tsk...boys and their biceps. ;D |
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Post by straylight on Oct 22, 2008 0:01:38 GMT -5
Lol, I will answer his question though.. Even though I'm a "red" guy, I'll expound the virtues of "blue" for a second. ;D If there's any good reason to have a "six pack", it would be because having a good core is the most important thing, when it comes to muscle groups. This doesn't necessarily mean you need a sixpack though... You could still have good muscles, and have some fat as well. I'm just saying, for the sake of argument and fun, that it's definitely not a useless area to build up. If anything, having big pectorals is on the useless side of things -- we hardly do anything day-to-day that utilizes our chest to need something like that. Everything we do, however, needs a good core. Anyhow, I'm just gonna chalk this thread to being one big f***up. |
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Post by swinger on Oct 22, 2008 0:30:34 GMT -5
My opinion is that a six-pack is a sign of good diet and exercise. However, good diet and exercise can provide excellent core strength without producing a six-pack, and the appearance of a six-pack does not at all mean that you are "healthier" than someone who didn't take the extra (diet) step to make it appear.
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Post by long on Oct 22, 2008 4:01:41 GMT -5
Stray: I go out of my way to take myself out of the equation in just about any discussion here On the merits of this statement alone you have now become the most unwittingly ironic character I have ever encountered. I've been under the impression that there isn't a subject out there that you couldn't turn into an excuse to talk about yourself (eg. this thread). The notion that you feel you're restraining yourself is making my head spin... You repeatedly suggest that you are only interested in having a mature discussion, a worthy goal. Unfortunately, it is you who has demonstrated, more than anyone else in this thread, that you are incapable of civilized debate and disagreement. You've tried to scapegoat ChickenSoda, but it's clear that you were already foaming at the mouth before he came in. Zap disagreed with you, but nothing he said was hostile or even remotely resembled a personal attack; you, on the other hand, are able to manage only one civilized rejoinder before you're in full-blown, over-the-top defensive, condescending rant mode (during which you fail to address any of his points). This is a habit of yours. If you intend to have 'actual discussions' in the future you will need to overcome your knee-jerk, "woe is me, I'm being victimized", defensiveness - which, I shouldn't have to point out, is inextricably linked to your self-absorption. You make everything personal. |
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Post by straylight on Oct 22, 2008 8:03:44 GMT -5
Oh give me a break. I meant that I would have loved to just have ended my participation in this thread after the first or second post. This is what I wrote to calikid -- and it's basically the same information that I've been trying to extend upon since. Heh, I had to turn off that video the second I heard the music, sorry.  To answer your question though: Situps/cruches/leglifts (all or one) -- and lose your body fat through cardio. Run/cycle/swim/whatever. Get your heartrate up daily and eat right. More protein (for muscle building), less carbs, and don't go over your caloric intake. You could do all the situps in the world, but if you have a layer of fat on you, then you will never see muscle definition. What happened? You, in particular, started nitpicking and cross-posting in another thread, trying to use that simple above post as some kind of evidence that I was vain. But I never said a thing about myself there.. Not a damn thing. I merely gave advice to someone who invited questions on the subject, and you decided it was a reason to attack me. So there's reason #1 to be pissed off. Second, Zap made a post stating that he doesn't see a need for any of this (fair enough!). He only confused me on how he stated it, so I asked him -- in a very humorous tone, mind you -- what he meant. His reply came off as fatalistic and (whether indirectly or directly) irreverent and denigrating to people who've tried to take care of themselves (basically, he starting turning the topic into "appearances" like you did..making it out like people who took care of their bodies just wanted to be seen) -- and so I set off on him. I might not have reacted that way if he kept it to his own personal choices, but it seemed like he wanted to label people a certain way who wanted to be fit. It was a generalized attack, and offended me. Now, I'm willing to admit that I set off too much, and misunderstood him myself on some things (just like I felt I was being misunderstood), but it sure wasn't about me wanting to inject myself into the equation in any overt way. I wasn't here to beat my chest, or post pics of myself shirtless, or do any sort of douchebaggy thing like that. This is what I meant by "not wanting to put myself into the equation". And as for personal athletic history, he took it there, and I decided to join afterwards, thinking it'd be harmless since he did it already -- but no. What happens? I get sh*t for it immediately instead. Almost right after I made a post finally giving in to that, Chicken comes in and makes his joke. Sure, it was funny -- but for me, it was just at the wrong time (and I apologize to Chicken for going there...really). Anyhow, it just seemed like everything that could have gone wrong with this thread just went worse. I couldn't seem to do anything right, and all I wanted was to give a few pointers to calikid in the beginning. I've been trying to do damage control since. And here I am doing damage control again. You're reading all kinds of the worst qualities of human beings in my little posts here, trying to chart out my life story or some sh*t -- Of course, I'm pissed! Of course I'm "over-the-top defensive". Because the attacks seem to be over-the-top. I got pissed with Zap for what I saw were mischaracterizations of fit people too. It all comes down to that, I guess. Being drawn up as something I'm not -- and having people simply refusing to take your word for it when you correct them. They demand more than just one's word. They're absolutely convinced that you're some piece of sh*t or something -- and so you get pissed. It's Internet 101 really... I've seen it enough times that I know when this kind of bullsh*t is happening. And I've seen it enough times that I wish I could just break through all of it.. Hence my passion, and hence my need to be explanatory (which is probably counter-productive, I'm seeing... it just makes me look like a rabid fool). You might think I get longwinded because I want to "talk about myself", but if I really was that self-absorbed, I wouldn't be here at all, trying to plea with people that there's more than just some talking head here, saying that it's not right to pigeon hole people into whatever little convenient description you have for them, trying to make a better connection than just labeling... caring to state my case, and asking for a better than terse reply from you (because I will hear it, instead of writing you off)... If I was really as self-absorbed as you think I am, I'd quip, pointlessly harass, label you, and go about my smug way like everything was right in the world. But I'm seeking for more, man. Read between the lines. And I'm so not self-absorbed that I know that everyone wants the same thing as I do...to not be the butt of someone's jokes, or labeled, or misrepresented, or attacked and nitpicked for the smallest things... But everything gets f***ed up. I see it everywhere, and I'm not self-absorbed. You do me an injustice by saying so. Anyhow, now you want to push me around more, basically saying that my entire presence here is selfish, knee-jerk... Yet, I have rarely gotten into any heated disputes with people here before, but you're making it out like I do -- going so far as to call it a "habit". You tell me that there isn't a subject that I wouldn't talk about myself in -- but yet, I try to stay away from so many! I mean, WTF? There's plenty of people who PM me and like me. How can I really be that bad? I even said I wanted to delete my account a few weeks ago (I thought 1000 posts was too much), and a nice random person told me not to, because they liked having me here. I stay out of so many topics that I, admittedly, know jack sh*t about. You hardly see me in political or economic posts, for one. I don't "chime in" on Singaporean celebrity topics. I don't know what I could offer on "travel pics". I don't even have any more than 3 or 4 pics in the Picture threads -- so I'm not trying to draw attention to myself in that way. I know about music, but I've only posted one of my songs in there. The topics that I do post the most in are ones I'm simply interested in or find something funny about -- and why complain about that? This site is not as lively as it should be. So I'm just trying to do my part in keeping discussion alive. So sue me, man. The truth is, I can be incredibly shy at times and hate to bring attention to myself -- which is why being marked as the opposite, like I have here, pisses me off. You've got me wrong, dude. [edit] Btw, believe me, I hate making these long posts. But they are not "rants". I am not on a tirade. Read them plainly, instead of imagining I'm speaking with the voice of Mr. Hyde or something. The only reason why I'm so wordy right now is precisely because being concise is what started crap in the first place (my post to calikid above). I'm just trying to cast a wide net, and cover your points as much as possible, hoping that somehow I leave no room for anyone to imagine where I'm coming from. |
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