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Post by Ganbare! on Dec 14, 2009 15:07:27 GMT -5
Arabs in Canada and in France have little in common. Arabs in Canada are the most skilled immigrants and second biggest investors in the country's economy. While Arabs in France have minimal education, income and sometimes illegal explaining their aggressive behaviors. They are like the US African-Americans...
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Post by paul101 on Dec 14, 2009 15:24:12 GMT -5
My family is going to Northern Italy soon, and my mother was getting worried over the fact that this Southern Italian woman has been really cold towards us lately. Quite frankly, she thinks we're a bunch of rich snobs which isn't true, but apparently it's to do with my mother's Italian blood being Northern. :/
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Post by jefe on Dec 16, 2009 13:16:21 GMT -5
I'm surprised that your experience in North America was one where people didn't interact with you because of your race. I've never experienced anything like that living my whole life in North America, and I'm sure others here would concur. Racism directed at Eurasians tends to be more subtle (and sometimes benign, as in the EA beauty myth, or in the common - you must get trait X from your Asian/European side because Europeans/Asians don't have X) and curiosity seems to be the most common reaction in my experience. Gee, where in North America did you grow up? I, for one, would be one of those that totally DO NOT CONCUR with this at all. I lived in North America continuously for 34 years in different regions, and travelled to / stayed in 32 states and 4 Canadian provinces and this was not my experience at all. Racism towards Eurasians not only involves avoiding contact because of perceived racial background, it can also include violence, property damage, exclusion from employment, residence, education, participation in various activities and organizations as well as forms of discrimination in all -- I (and my brother) have experienced these forms of racism in ALL of these areas and they definitely were not benign. They also came from Caucasians, Asians, and others (eg, Blacks). I am surprised that you never experienced these things. I respect that your experience may have been different, but do not attribute your own individual perception to other people. I can't count how many times I've experienced people refusing to interact just because I seem to belong to the wrong race. This is one I concur with. It happened to me countless times in North America. It happened to me countless times in Hong Kong. It has happened in many other places.
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Post by jefe on Dec 16, 2009 13:42:13 GMT -5
Arabs in Canada and in France have little in common. Arabs in Canada are the most skilled immigrants and second biggest investors in the country's economy. While Arabs in France have minimal education and income and sometimes illegal explaining their aggressive behaviors. They are like the US African-Americans... African-Americans are generally not illegal and most have ancestors in the USA for 10 or more (even up to 20) generations, which likely includes ancestors that were slaves. I don't think it is appropriate to compare French Arabs to African-Americans -- I would purport that they also have little in common. Maybe it is somewhat more appropriate to identify some comparisons to migrants from Central America and their immediate descendants, a portion of which "have minimal education and income and sometimes illegal".
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Post by milkman's baby on Dec 16, 2009 14:02:10 GMT -5
Arabs in Canada and in France have little in common. Arabs in Canada are the most skilled immigrants and second biggest investors in the country's economy. While Arabs in France have minimal education and income and sometimes illegal explaining their aggressive behaviors. They are like the US African-Americans... African-Americans are generally not illegal and most have ancestors in the USA for 10 or more (even up to 20) generations, which likely includes ancestors that were slaves. I don't think it is appropriate to compare French Arabs to African-Americans -- I would purport that they also have little in common. Maybe it is somewhat more appropriate to identify some comparisons to migrants from Central America and their immediate descendants, a portion of which "have minimal education and income and sometimes illegal". I agree, although I think Ganbare was simply trying to draw a similarity between the conditions of poverty that exist greatly amongst the two groups in their respective countries. But yes, they have very different origins and the situations aren't quite the same. Their relationship with the government is different as well.
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Post by Ganbare! on Dec 16, 2009 14:24:31 GMT -5
My bad, I was thinking of Latinos but typed African-Americans... Need to re-read more carefully...
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Post by Ganbare! on Dec 17, 2009 13:08:18 GMT -5
I'm surprised that your experience in North America was one where people didn't interact with you because of your race. I've never experienced anything like that living my whole life in North America, and I'm sure others here would concur. Racism directed at Eurasians tends to be more subtle (and sometimes benign, as in the EA beauty myth, or in the common - you must get trait X from your Asian/European side because Europeans/Asians don't have X) and curiosity seems to be the most common reaction in my experience. Gee, where in North America did you grow up? I, for one, would be one of those that totally DO NOT CONCUR with this at all. I lived in North America continuously for 34 years in different regions, and travelled to / stayed in 32 states and 4 Canadian provinces and this was not my experience at all. Racism towards Eurasians not only involves avoiding contact because of perceived racial background, it can also include violence, property damage, exclusion from employment, residence, education, participation in various activities and organizations as well as forms of discrimination in all -- I (and my brother) have experienced these forms of racism in ALL of these areas and they definitely were not benign. They also came from Caucasians, Asians, and others (eg, Blacks). I am surprised that you never experienced these things. I respect that your experience may have been different, but do not attribute your own individual perception to other people. I can't count how many times I've experienced people refusing to interact just because I seem to belong to the wrong race. This is one I concur with. It happened to me countless times in North America. It happened to me countless times in Hong Kong. It has happened in many other places. Such behaviors are regrettable but should not systematically be correalated to racial discrimination, in social interactions other criteria are also factored in : age, gender, wealth, physical appearance/fitness, behavior/personality etc.
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Post by jefe on Dec 18, 2009 3:55:26 GMT -5
I agree with this 100%. Under no circumstances should such behaviors be SYSTEMATICALLY correlated to racial discrimination. I am talking about ones that have only been confirmed and tested to be so.
I have hundreds of examples that I am sure you would have to agree that racial discrimination is the only explanation.
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Post by Shock on Jan 2, 2010 10:22:45 GMT -5
"Arab" is a cultural term, not a racial one. There are arabs of every race. Personally I think that most people dislike blacks coz they remind them their roots, given that the first humans were blacks. I'm not an expert of Semitic anthropology, but as far as I'm concerned most people use "Arab" in the context of race. Arab, as used by most Americans at least, means someone whose ancestors descended from the Middle Eastern region or Northern Africa. As long as they're not a Jew. People from the middle east and north africa are a mix of every race on this planet. My family is going to Northern Italy soon, and my mother was getting worried over the fact that this Southern Italian woman has been really cold towards us lately. Quite frankly, she thinks we're a bunch of rich snobs which isn't true, but apparently it's to do with my mother's Italian blood being Northern. :/ I've been living in Italy since my childhood, and I can assure you that northern italians threat the southern ones as white americans threat blacks.
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Post by palavore on Jan 2, 2010 18:31:27 GMT -5
People from the middle east and north africa are a mix of every race on this planet. I have to reinforce this statement. BTW, does anyone know their haplotype(s)?
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Post by milkman's baby on Jan 2, 2010 18:51:38 GMT -5
I'm not an expert of Semitic anthropology, but as far as I'm concerned most people use "Arab" in the context of race. Arab, as used by most Americans at least, means someone whose ancestors descended from the Middle Eastern region or Northern Africa. As long as they're not a Jew. People from the middle east and north africa are a mix of every race on this planet. I'm sure they are, but I said most people see Arab as a race. Since we're talking about social perceptions here, the average racist who says they dislike Arabs in some way is probably talking about dark skin, larger noses, and an Arabic surname. If you wanna get real technical, everyone is mixed with all sorts of races when it comes down to it. But most people don't know that and don't care. If they did, there wouldn't be racism.
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Post by Shock on Jan 3, 2010 7:12:44 GMT -5
People from the middle east and north africa are a mix of every race on this planet. I'm sure they are, but I said most people see Arab as a race. Since we're talking about social perceptions here, the average racist who says they dislike Arabs in some way is probably talking about dark skin, larger noses, and an Arabic surname. It depends on what is your definition of race is. Personally I don't see mixed people as a separated race from others. Most peope don't have a clue of what a true arab is. If you wanna get real technical, everyone is mixed with all sorts of races when it comes down to it. But most people don't know that and don't care. If they did, there wouldn't be racism. Proofs?
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Post by finnishguy on Mar 3, 2010 5:23:48 GMT -5
Muslim men are acting the way they are acting because of their chauvinistic culture, not because of some mystical racism. They just cant understand how women can be treated like human beings.
Muslims (North-African, Middle -Easterners and Somalis) commit most rapes in North -Europe even though they are not more than 1-5% of the population.
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Post by Ganbare! on Mar 3, 2010 9:20:47 GMT -5
Sadly, I hear it's pretty huge in Scandinavia, a blatant failure of multiculturalism.
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Post by uncouthlaggard on Mar 11, 2010 23:52:21 GMT -5
My parents are racist.
My sister has dated a Venezuelan man for a while and brought him home a little bit before Thanksgiving. This was the first man she brought home so this was very important to her. My mom was polite while my dad said hi and then ignored us all for the rest of their visit. After they both left, my mother said that she likes his personality but doesn't like how dark his skin is.
My parents told me to tell her that she couldn't come to Thanksgiving if she brought him again. Actually, they told me that they don't want him in the house again. It's sad, really, but I don't think they're horrible people. Just too traditional since they used to live in a country where everyone had to be the same. They don't like outsiders. My other sister is dating a Chinese boy, and they don't even like him, either, because he came from a small village. However, they like him better than the other boyfriend.
I don't really know what I'm going to do.
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