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Post by ConceptDesign on Sept 23, 2007 9:28:40 GMT -5
theres need for "Islamphobia" thread too Why is there so much fear of Islam in the world today? How is it that Muslims have become associated with negative concepts? More importantly: what can be done to counter this victimisation? Discuss.
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Post by EA Observer on Sept 23, 2007 12:23:48 GMT -5
9/11 and Iran but just two reasons for it, of course.
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Post by morningstar on Sept 23, 2007 13:11:33 GMT -5
Yes, sweeping generalisations, are the mother of all evils - no doubt there are Muslim extremists, but all the same, there are probably extremists from all relegions.
I don't think it is fair at all that the vast majority of Muslims who are peaceful law-abiding citizens are scrutinized and are the subject of mass paranoia merely due to their relegion.
Saying that though - i am sure that 9/11 was one of the main reasons for the current climate towards the relegion, and with this in mind, as terrible as it may sound, im sure many people are wary when a young middle-eastern looking boy/girl steps into an/a aeroplane/ship/train/bus carrying a backpack - which is probably filled with his Biology text book.
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Post by cm on Sept 23, 2007 14:10:56 GMT -5
I'm scared of all extremist religious people
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Post by miaim on Sept 23, 2007 18:27:29 GMT -5
theres need for "Islamphobia" thread too Why is there so much fear of Islam in the world today? How is it that Muslims have become associated with negative concepts? More importantly: what can be done to counter this victimisation? Discuss. fear and ignorance? in the widest sense, of course, including inability/disinclination to see issues in shades of gray....and absence of simple tools of reasoning, such as "correlation does not equal causation".... i *think* it would also help if western non-Muslims were more aware of the history of western foreign policy in the Muslim world and more broadly, of history, full stop....instead of resorting to knee-jerk "us vs. them, you're with us or against us" line of reasoning.... mind, this could be said of nearly every thread in this section....why some people have strong opinions on issues and subjects they barely understand is beyond me.....and get defensive when someone exposes their ignorance....guess it's because they can't hide their ignorance..... if people were more familiar with the history (that's economic, social, military and political), they would understand why there is a lot of resentment of the west - *methinks* it is possible to recognize legitimate grievances without condoning the tactics (terrorism)....but any attempt to discuss the grievances leads to accusations of condoning terrorism.... ****shrugs**** i can't even count the number of times i've been accused on this board of being a terrorist sympathiser for pointing out there are reasons behind the resentment of the west ....just as well i got thick skin and it makes me laugh.... btw, fear of Islam and Muslims in the West is nothing new: goes back to the Middle Ages....just rearing again its ugly head with gusto since 9/11....guess the west needed a new enemy to replace the "commies".... peace
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Post by Ajeno on Sept 23, 2007 18:46:43 GMT -5
I dislike all religions equally to tell the truth.But what i really dont like is how its ok for people of islam to protest and speak freely about every other religion there is,burn some effigies blah blah.But the minute anyone speaks out about Islam and exposes the truths its called,racism,anti-islam nonsense..What bugs me most of all is anti-american people,foreigners who think we all hate islam here meanwhile in places like europe theres more of a hatred for islam and muslim people i would say.
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Post by miaim on Sept 23, 2007 19:07:25 GMT -5
well, if you're so defensive about non-USAmerican criticism of the USA (and/or its policies), then surely you should be able to understand why Muslims are so defensive when non-Muslims criticise their religion, no?
essentially, it's about inability to see things from others' point of view, imo.... what's commonly called the tunnel vision double standard.... or what is okay for me is not for others....
and i, for one, couldn't give a f*** less if people criticise Japan or Europe - and yes, i agree: Europeans are probably more Islamophobic than USAmericans.....
but knee-jerk defensiveness in the face of criticism even though you are prepared to dish out criticism of others' is....hypocrisy, isn't it?
also, there is the issue of power: attacking the weaker is not the same thing as reacting to an attack by the stronger.... equality is just an abstract concept, not reality....
peace
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Post by Ajeno on Sept 23, 2007 19:50:29 GMT -5
I agree with SOME of your points but i think my post went a little over your head there. I said my beef is when a religion other islam is attacked its no problem especially when islam is doing the attacking.But the minute Islam is critisized its considered racist or anti-islam and theres an outcry...The world is under the impression that America as a whole hates Islam is it not? Did you not bring up the west and 9/11 for whatever reason? You admitted Europe has more a phobia and a hatred eh? People are so concerned about the west that they turn a blind eye to what happens elsewhere.Those are my only beefs.Get my drift now?
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Post by waywardwolf on Sept 23, 2007 21:17:21 GMT -5
I think if America wanted a new enemy, they should have chosen Canada. Their beer sucks.
*gets pummeled in Canadian beer riot*
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Post by Ave` on Sept 23, 2007 21:41:08 GMT -5
theres need for "Islamphobia" thread too Why is there so much fear of Islam in the world today? How is it that Muslims have become associated with negative concepts? More importantly: what can be done to counter this victimisation? Discuss. Heh I was being sarcastic actually... Well since the thread is here..heres my 2 cents. I think so far we can all agree..that despite being called terrorists, muslim ppl are the one being raped most of the time. In Iraq alone theres more then 100,000(?) deaths and yes civillians too...no better then 9/11. Ppl who suffers from Islamaphobia are basically victims of mass media. We all know who is the REAL threat of worlds peace. So get a grip ppl with Islamaphobia and stop pretending like youre the victim here. we should have thread about Americanphobia(?) heh
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Post by Ave` on Sept 23, 2007 22:51:34 GMT -5
I am unsure why miaim keeps on playing the "hate the West" blame-game. [/img] because theres ppl like u floyd we need miami, so ppl see both sides and not get carried away with your definition of reality. and fyi fear IS triggered by ignorance on a particular thing/idea
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Post by waywardwolf on Sept 24, 2007 0:16:38 GMT -5
Islamic imperialism and jihad may have been around for quite some time, however, it was the Crusades that brought truly nasty warfare to the people of the region. They learned to fight fire with fire. Personally, I think governments in total are a bad thing. We don't need leaders, we need to learn how to self motivate and love one another as a species.
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Post by cm on Sept 24, 2007 0:33:43 GMT -5
we have governments because of natural common interests. One place has water and yours doesn't. You form an alliance and invade that place. That's how government began
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Post by waywardwolf on Sept 24, 2007 0:39:21 GMT -5
True, but with communications in place, natural common interests can be shared. Everyone has something to offer. It may be tempting to take more than someone would want to give you, but forming alliances doesn't do much to help the common soldier but leaders sure get fat pretty fast. Serving a master is almost like admitting they're better than you.
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Post by waywardwolf on Sept 24, 2007 0:41:21 GMT -5
Well, there's a lot of conspiracies about what the Crusades were about, and you can bet that the people who wrote history had their own interests in mind.
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