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Post by Pushnpull on Dec 2, 2007 7:12:31 GMT -5
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Post by daisypukes on Dec 2, 2007 9:08:13 GMT -5
He shouldn't be charged with two counts. Charging him with two counts of murder would be tantamount to saying that a fetus deserves legal rights, which in turn would do extensive damage to abortion rights.
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Post by halfbreed on Dec 2, 2007 9:29:07 GMT -5
^ Good thinking!
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Post by ~bep_pu~ on Dec 2, 2007 10:00:22 GMT -5
they said her body hasn't been found, and there's no confession. why are they already saying she's dead?
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Post by Pushnpull on Dec 2, 2007 11:35:44 GMT -5
they said her body hasn't been found, and there's no confession. why are they already saying she's dead? Acutally read the second article they did find her. Whew. I didn't think this little posting was going to turn into an abortion rights debate. Nevertheless this is not the first time a person has been charged with two counts of murder after a pregnant woman was killed. There was a case a few summers ago where an 8 month pregnant woman was killed by a Drunk driver. The Driver was charged with two counts of murder in that case. Another woman who was about 6 months pregnant was killed by gang crossfire. The shooter was charged with two counts of murder. Another woman cut the fetus out of a pregnant woman. Neither survived. Two counts again. One of the more famous cases- www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/lacicharge1.htmlDid any of these cases and( I am sure there are more like them, just do a search,) take away our abortion rights? Discuss.
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Post by ladystacey on Dec 2, 2007 16:04:21 GMT -5
I always thought that you get 2 counts if the fetus was in a age that it could survive out of the womb like 5 months. Every case has it's different legal standpoints, depending on the murder since ones intention could be to kill the unborn baby therefor that already is a intention of murder even though it's a fetus. Although if she was only 1-2 months pregnant I don't know if the charge would be the same
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Post by jewbird on Dec 2, 2007 19:35:49 GMT -5
Irrelevant article. Here's what's relevant: what about the EAs that never will be because our hottest women are more interested in having careers with a long-term value of zero and random hook-ups on the circuit party scene than being with the love of their lives?
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Post by daisypukes on Dec 2, 2007 21:23:22 GMT -5
@elphaba: I wasn't implying that it hadn't been done before, I was saying that it shouldn't be done. Are abortion rights taken away? No, not yet anyway. But they're being chipped away at as we speak. Already partial birth abortion is banned, what's next? The last thing Roe vs Wade needs is more focus on fetuses as legal citizens.
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Post by jewbird on Dec 2, 2007 22:51:26 GMT -5
By all means, ensure that the legal environment is conducive to your way of life.
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Post by daisypukes on Dec 3, 2007 4:05:08 GMT -5
Isn't that what we all do? Try to ensure that the law fits what we believe is right and just?
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Post by long on Dec 3, 2007 8:54:42 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken, you may have missed the subtleties of his statement.. or perhaps you're merely reserving all ire for the innocent.
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Post by daisypukes on Dec 3, 2007 21:03:42 GMT -5
There was subtlety? Damn, I guess I did miss it.
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Post by long on Dec 3, 2007 21:08:43 GMT -5
He implied that you were a loose woman in no uncertain terms, suggesting this was your "way of life".
Your response just seemed a bit muted under the circumstances I thought.
But you're right, I didn't really think it was all that subtle.
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Post by daisypukes on Dec 3, 2007 21:21:20 GMT -5
^I was kidding when I said I missed it (though, yeah, it was hardly subtle). I've argued with him about abortion before (I think, or else I'm mistaken as to what his old SN was), and I felt no desire to respond to a remark that below the belt because I knew it would warp this thread into an abortion debate. Although, I guess it looks like it's going to end up one anyway. Meh.
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Post by jewbird on Dec 3, 2007 21:51:46 GMT -5
In that case, you missed it.
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