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Post by cjsdad on Jun 25, 2007 14:31:30 GMT -5
Remove the "popping out babies" part and I really can't figure out what the big deal is. That quote was insensitive and mostly just dumb from a PR standpoint.
Otherwise, she is telling the immigrant story. I feel zero connection to Germany, Sweden, England... 2 and in some cases 3 generations removed.
I'm an American, Jessica is an American. We don't look exactly alike......so what?
In a time when some Americans are ashamed and look to hide behind ethnicities or country identities that they know little or nothing about, I say "You go girl". Nothing wrong with identifying with the USA and being honest.
Just a bit more tactfully next time!
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Post by Ajeno on Jun 25, 2007 20:19:59 GMT -5
With all do respect and no offense to anyone but,i really dont expect whites to understand why mexicans/latinos are offended by this and im not saying they lack the capactiy to empathize either.I really dont care what she labels herself but i just felt her reasons were shameful. Sorry about Erik but Mark was born in Spain to Mexican parents? Am I wrong? I dunno i was asking you kinda heh.I didnt get the chance to look it up.I do remember his wife on T.V saying he was from spain or something but he does look mestizo so.However I do know for a fact Erik estrada is not mexican. question, what or who do you consider latino ? ok south americans but how about european spanish & portuguese ? the word latino has obvisouly been derailed from its original meaning & form because if we talk about latin, there's more to it than just mexicans, colombians, puerto ricans... but also french, spanish & yes of course italian. (without mentioning linked language roots) I think many latinos just use Latino/Hispanic so they wont confuse people but many i know of dont refer to themselves as latino or hispanic.I never really heard Italians or brazilians refer to themselves as latino either but I see what you mean.
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Post by Ajeno on Jun 25, 2007 20:53:09 GMT -5
^Benecio del toro should do more movies i havent seen him in anything lately.Jimmy smits was really good on NYPD blue.
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Post by Trix on Jun 26, 2007 4:17:16 GMT -5
so the term "latino" is just a sort of benchmark for southern hispanics non european, non asian, non white & non black either ? ;D I guess it would be kind of wieird calling an italian a latina. btw, if we list all the latin root languages, we'll have to include Romanian and what do you know, romania is part of the balkan, which has nothing to do with the mediteranean. than geography doesnt play a major part in the global latin attribution
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Post by Trix on Jun 26, 2007 8:53:41 GMT -5
benchmark as in specific reference term (latino). "latino" wouldnt be used for french or italian, nor spanish etc
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Post by Orangina on Jun 26, 2007 10:29:54 GMT -5
Thats some horrible stuff to say about mexicans. I understand the labels people put on ethnic people especially in Hollywood but does being American mean you have to forget your roots? Pfft ,Seems to me that she was brought up to be ashamed of her Background.Shes like a first generation mestiza or something but I guess she thinks white, then again I never really considered her latina anyways. How can she expect to be respected by others, if she can't even respect her own self and her own heritage? And heck, she DOES look Latina!!! Which roots ? Which look ? Considering her upbringing, if she doesn't feel latina... then she's not. Period. It's as simple as this.
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Post by juancarlos on Jun 26, 2007 16:08:35 GMT -5
Thats some horrible stuff to say about mexicans. I understand the labels people put on ethnic people especially in Hollywood but does being American mean you have to forget your roots? Pfft ,Seems to me that she was brought up to be ashamed of her Background.Shes like a first generation mestiza or something but I guess she thinks white, then again I never really considered her latina anyways. How can she expect to be respected by others, if she can't even respect her own self and her own heritage? And heck, she DOES look Latina!!! Which roots ? Which look ? Considering her upbringing, if she doesn't feel latina... then she's not. Period. It's as simple as this. Uhhhhhhhm, if you haven't found out already, in real life, feelings do NOT equal facts. Putting that aside, I don't care if Alba does not want to be considered Latina. But she did NOT have to slander an entire group of people (Mexicans) in talking about herself.
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Post by Ajeno on Jun 26, 2007 17:30:02 GMT -5
Eh,half american half shame. im not gonna beat a dead horse here so ill just say she can call herself an oompa loompa or half Tela-tubby for all i care.
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Post by Ajeno on Jun 26, 2007 17:58:46 GMT -5
Curlytop are you saying hispanics that are meztizos,black, or white looking arent latinos because some are not indigenous looking??? .How bout all the dark skinned latinos who dont considered fair-skinned or black hispanics latino? And there are tons of other stars people love more other than the ones youve mentioned like: Raul julia,Edward James Olmos,Esai morales the list goes on.And i havent heard of anyone who considers Penelope cruz latina.
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Post by 0 on Jun 26, 2007 18:14:50 GMT -5
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Post by catgirl on Jun 26, 2007 18:30:54 GMT -5
so the term "latino" is just a sort of benchmark for southern hispanics non european, non asian, non white & non black either ? ;D I guess it would be kind of wieird calling an italian a latina. btw, if we list all the latin root languages, we'll have to include Romanian and what do you know, romania is part of the balkan, which has nothing to do with the mediteranean. than geography doesnt play a major part in the global latin attribution Ive heard the word latino and latina used about spanish people too.
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Post by catgirl on Jun 26, 2007 18:32:45 GMT -5
benchmark as in specific reference term (latino). "latino" wouldnt be used for french or italian, nor spanish etc It does in Europe, or Norway to be more specific...I see it constantly in fashion magazines about hot actors, singers with southern european blood.
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Post by Ajeno on Jun 26, 2007 20:45:51 GMT -5
@ Creo - I dont know i always thought she was considered Spanish not latina.I really dont know of any hispanics who consider her latina though. Flat Top - It looks like in this case it all boils down to individual experience because i feel you are the one who has it reversed.There are alot more Mestizos who look white or dark with euro-features than you think in Latin-America especially in the Carribeans.I dont know where you get this eurolook is more loved becase its been the total opposite for me.And Im fair-skinned and ive had more discrimination from dark-skinned hispanics more than anyone else. Look at the Pageants in America or anywhere.Do any of those woman ever look like the majority of woman of that country nope. Whos fault is it that hollywood or americans only think dark-skinned people can be latino Also what about the many South-Americans who dont like U.S American latinos and dont even consider them Latino? Met any of them? Many latinos identify by their Ethnicity or called themselves Indio,Indio-black,Mestizo or mulatta/negra/negro etc etc followed by their ethnicity. I personally dont care if an Asian person calls themselves latino but do any of them do that? Asians/Eurasians mixed or whatever are a tiny tiny minority in Latin America And yeah if you grew up in an hispanic culture and its your lifestyle then by all means.But it all goes both ways because how many black/white/hispanic people brought up in asia will be considered Asian?
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Post by davidbleo on Jun 27, 2007 1:00:41 GMT -5
@ Curlytop... You're right... latinos aren't a race... And about white looking peolpe on mexican TV, I think that comes 'cause in the cities many people is mestizo/european looking... and of course 'cause the producers of that cheap TV programs aren'r exactly trying to reflect mexican demographics in TV... but they are using the beauty standards that came from the US and Europe, even when the US and Europe now have a more diverse beauty standards, we are always outdated Other nationalities, like Argentinians, Chileans and Uruguay-ans... don't consider themselves latinos, 'cause many of 'em believe to be fully europeans... So Latin America is quite diverse and a mix of heterogenic and homogenic populations
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Post by chinesejewfool on Jun 27, 2007 1:27:13 GMT -5
Mexico has whites in the media doesn't make them a white country.
Phillipines is obsessed with Mestizos in the media, does that mean they are white? It's just that whites control a lot of the media.
Look how many Jews are in movies. You'd think the US would be packed with jews, but that's not the case. It's just that many producers and movie companies are run by Jews.
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