racist towards ur Asian side??

[Tricky]

Phillip said:

damn... this is depressing :/

Why's that?

[Uncle Hank]

Jeymi said:

Having a White partner and children that have more probability of looking White is all about assimilation or part of the process of colonisation as Jefe may correct me there. Many of the reasons given why they prefer Whites relates back to better assimilating into Western society, although this is where a majority of us reside.
Some people may be the result of one of their parent's attempt at assimilation, children of these parents may entertain similar thoughts. It could be genetic.

Yeah, It may be a way to assimilate to Western culture, but I think it's far from necessary. Like I was pointing out for westernized and often American born Asian girls that are pretty much assimilated into the culture I consider it selling out (I hate that term, but it really fits the bill) when they exclusively go for White men. As Jolie was saying, this sort of exclusionary behavior only strengthens the bad stereotypes of asians. Asian girls need to grab some sack and face stereotypes and racism head on. They need to stop cowering and saying nothing when those "situations" come up with non Asian people. You can't fight bad stereotypes through silence and self-denial.


*man my grammar sucks

[Tricky]

Spacemonkey said:

Yeah, It may be a way to assimilate to Western culture, but I think it's far from necessary.

I'm a big believer of assimilation, but not for the wrong reasons. People that don't make an attempt at assimilation can make the problem of racism worse, also any immigration to an western society should result in at least some anglo assiilation without losing pride in themselves. This type of assimilation supports the racial heirarchy and just says White is best. Asians and part Asians criticize this type of thinking yet they support it through their actions.

As Jolie was saying, this sort of exclusionary behavior only strengthens the bad stereotypes of asians. Asian girls need to grab some sack and face stereotypes and racism head on. They need to stop cowering and saying nothing when those "situations" come up with non Asian people. You can't fight bad stereotypes through silence and self-denial.

I have seen many Western born/raisied Asian males criticize Asian women for preferring White and Black men and label them sellouts for it, but this is usually the result of Asian men being rejected by White women themselves, it wouldn't matter to them as muchl if they were getting some. If their own women won't have them, who will? You're right I rarely see an Asian person speak up when they are discriminated against. The there are those who play the race card too often because they see it as an easy way out when it had nothing to do with their ethnicity.

*man my grammar sucks

No worries, so does mine.

edit: I got spelling mistakes.

[Uncle Hank]

Yeah I totally believe in assimilation, just not to the extent of rejecting your heritage, which is what I observe among westernized asian girls when they reject other asian guys because they self-hate. Not sure if there is a miscommunication, but I pretty much agree with what you're saying. Yup, they need to get laid, but as a generalization women in western society aren't giving it up to them. To quote my roomate, "Nearly all of the world's problems would be solved if chicks just gave up the p*ssy."

He's also a firm believer that women have too much control over men because they restrict the supply of p*ssy. He breaks it down into an economics analogy, that women restrict the supply which raises the price and is only sustained because the demand for p*ssy is very price inelastic (basically guys are willing to pay that price). He believes if men of the world would just be more vigilant and use their hands as a substitute good, it would make demand less price inelastic and force women to increase the supply of p*ssy and lower the price on it. Who can hold out the longest haha.

[TeeHee]

Though it does aggravate me being referred to as "that asian girl," I think it's just as ridiculous and annoying being thought of as "that white girl" too, since I'm EA. Can't speak for those others who feel negatively towards their asian counterparts...but as for me, I think I'm very much into my asian(viet) culture itself. However, I find that many asians our generation, on the other hand, are not. They couldn't care less to make the slightest effort to learn any of the language or culture. When I mention to them anything remotely asian or viet-related, they are clueless and look at me as though I'm some freak for being interested and knowledgeable about it all. They're just your typical westernized monolingual folk who totally think they're the sh*t, hating on me and other mixed folk for not "being asian" enough. To them, I suppose being asian means being into the whole racing scene(a la fast and the furious, not that there is necessarily anything wrong with this), "white people/non-asian people aren't good enough for us" theme, gang warfare/getting into fights(at practically EVERY asian function, a fight breaks out...even the asian ppl I know will admit this). If what I just listed is the required criteria for what it means to be asian, then no, I guess I'm not being asian enough(not that I really even want to if that's the case now)..
As one can read from my previous post in this thread and this post, I've had many(not just a select few) negative experiences with asians. But as I've also said before, I realize that there are always exceptions to the "rule" in any race, and would not be so quick to automatically assume that ALL asians are like this, as I do have some asian friends who are the sweetest most adorable people in the world. I love my father to pieces as well, he's a good man. *If* I were to ever find myself attracted to an nice asian guy( who didn't fit my stereotype of what a typical asian is like), then so be it. I wouldn't rule him out. It's really something how many people are so quick to point fingers and call me racist or sellout just because I previously dated white guys and am GENERALLY not attracted to asians.

[Joolie]

To what Jeymi and Spacemonkey were talking about, in regards to assimilation/racism, I think it is easier for a Chinese guy, for example to blend in with other ppl with similar characteristics (other Chinese or Asian ppl), rather than stand alone and speak against being inferiorated via race. This is the problem, I agree. This is only ignoring the big question and not facing the already superior White race. You guys are right to say that silence does not help but only support racism, or any other forms of oppression, whether it be race or sexuality.

[kleindeutchland1]

Assimilation seems to imply that a person is losing all their cultural baggage from their previous life, or from the lives of their parents, in exchange for a new set of cultural norms which predominantly exist in their new homeland. I don't think that this is such a good thing.

A person should be allowed to retain cultural aspects from their original homeland, but at the same time embrace the status quo of their new home. For this reason I am more in favour of Integration.

[Tricky]

Spacemonkey said:

He breaks it down into an economics analogy, that women restrict the supply which raises the price and is only sustained because the demand for p*ssy is very price inelastic.

Supply and demand. Nice. ;D

TeeHee said:

However, I find that many asians our generation, on the other hand, are not. They couldn't care less to make the slightest effort to learn any of the language or culture.

Sadly this is part of assimilating (or colonisation). Whites that have lived in America/Australia have lost knowledge of their past European culture and language. They all speak English, it is only Italian and Greek Europeans that have managed to retain some of the heritage and pass it onto their children. There may be others who do so, but they are very rare. I'm not sure if it is that important, if it were, then it would be contradictory to assimilating themselves. Asians in Asia should practise their own cultural traditions not follow the White model.

I think it is a good idea to learn your own culture and language though. At least they would have some true aspect of being Asian apart from appearance, and not just adopting things that they consider to be 'Asian' like you mentioned. Yeah and it adds richness and diversity to culture and all that. I'm somewhat against diversity because the diversity we have here in Australia isn't adapted well. Theres too many immigrants that have not assimilated at all. Some of them have lived here for twenty years and they live and act like they have just stepped off the plane. Give back to the community, stop living in your ethnic enclaves and give up the negative attitude towards non-Asians.

[boppo]

Rachel said:

does anyone else only go for guys/chicks on their European side??.. I realised that just recently.. maybe cos I never grew up with any Asians in my town.. like now this full Asian guy likes me, hes so sweet and all, but theres nothing there for me to be attracted to.. and I just think is it because of his race..? I guess for some selfish reason I want my kids to be more Euro looking?? is that so bad?.. what are ur thoughts..

My thoughts are, madam, that there is nothing wrong with your preferences and your extreme shallowness as long as you realize that you will be divorced and miserable within five years of marrying someone out of racial considerations. But you also deserve it. Good day.

[kleindeutchland1]

boppo said:

My thoughts are, madam, that there is nothing wrong with your preferences and your extreme shallowness as long as you realize that you will be divorced and miserable within five years of marrying someone out of racial considerations. But you also deserve it. Good day.

a valid point that should seriously be considered, race is something that will not keep a marriage intact.

[stamp]

Rachel said:

does anyone else only go for guys/chicks on their European side??.. I realised that just recently.. maybe cos I never grew up with any Asians in my town.. like now this full Asian guy likes me, hes so sweet and all, but theres nothing there for me to be attracted to.. and I just think is it because of his race..? I guess for some selfish reason I want my kids to be more Euro looking?? is that so bad?.. what are ur thoughts..

People have preferences. Some don't like ugly people, some don't like people of this-or-that race or coloration, some don't like repblicans, some don't like people with FTF histories, etc. You have your own preferences.

Here's the only thing... Those preferences you have -- on their own -- seem shallow. That's not a problem so long as your basic requirements for a mate and for the fate of your children are more substantial. If the *only* or *main* thing you care about is race and coloration, then, yeah, that spells trouble for all concerned.

But you didn't say that.

So let's say, for the purposes of discussion, that what you want out of family life is:

A man who is kind, strong, fair, funny, intelligent, and a good father.

Kids who are strong, bright, healthy, and good.

Given that, you may be presented with several men over the next ten years who fit your needs nicely. Is there anything wrong with choosing a white one because you are more attracted to him and so that your kids will be lighter colored?

I don't think so. You still end up with a good man and healthy, happy kids.

The *problem* comes in when you subordinate the basic requierments for the shallow ones. Then the "boppo" scenario becomes likely.

[calisa]

wow thanks for all ur opinions guys.. ok so I may sound shallow to some people ( ahem boppo).. im sorry for that.. I have nothing against my Asian side.. I have a lot of Asian friends, can understand the language, eat the cuisine etc..its just when it comes to Asian guys i just havent ever been attracted to them... all they want to do is is get on to me, and ive only met them geez.. what happened to actually getting to know someone first?? I guess I have had bad experiences with them.. where I grew up there were like 5 Asians in my whole town including my sis and I.. and then I move here and am surrounded! omg.. but I guess I can give this guy a try?? If nothing happens then a good friend of course.. ciao bellas.

ps- thankyou stampy I guess that is what all girls want from a guy..

[Emoney22]

Speaking on behalf of being a product of a chinese mother and italian father both 100 percent i can honestly say i believe im the definition of a eurasian because i have seen very caucasian and very asian looking eurasians in my opinion. i have been mistaken for being or looking everything from chinese japanese korean vietnamese filipino indonesian hawaiian puerto rican mexican columbian cuban portugese native american arab and italian etc.

Look, my point is as Eurasians how can we discriminate against our parents? I think its safe to say that most of us have at least somewhere close to the same list of dif ethnicities we have been confused for being as i do. We are all products of the flavors and shades that God has created. All Eurasians should be proud to be because we are the start of a group that is emerging as its own in 10-20 years.

What makes us so great is because of our unique look and society inability to classify us into 1 group we have a great understanding and empathy to the rest of the world whom we can relate to.

[Tricky]

What if a Eurasian looks Asian, you did not suspect they were mixed, unitl they tell you. Do you just brush them off, they are about as Asian as you are.

[Seifer]

Jeymi said:

What if a Eurasian looks Asian, you did not suspect they were mixed, unitl they tell you. Do you just brush them off, they are about as Asian as you are.

"Pheno, not the geno"